Posted by alexandra_k on December 9, 2018, at 9:47:23
In reply to Re: I don't know what to do, posted by alexandra_k on December 8, 2018, at 15:16:04
It is bullying.
They take people -- all of whom have already established histories of doing really solid work in philosophy...
And they bully and publically shame them until production slows / ceases. I mean, they call their work 'rubbish' and guffaw and so on. Try and make them believe that they are stupid and so on. If you turn off your meaning comprehension part of your brain and watch the spectical it's like watching a bunch of apes with the postures and the gestures...
And when you turn on your meaning comprehension there is an awful lot of 'nooooooo' and 'I don't belieeeeeeeeve you' and 'well, now, that's just blatantly false' and the like.
People say... They want to do philosophy... They want to stay in philosophy... For the people. People say (when asked how they find philosophy) 'they pay me'.
I did philosophy because I loved philosophy. But then I met the behavior of the high level people.
All the drinking and partying and carrying on. The poor health. People loved to berate me for smoking but they also loved to bludge cigarettes from me and they especially loved to lay out the alcohol...
This year has just been another instance of bullying. Trying to bully me into starting later than I wanted. Trying to bullly me into believing I hadn't submitted. And so on.
It's just a bunch of nonsense rubbish bullying is all.
I applied by the deadline in February and selected early March from the computer form drop down menu. I started early March even though they feigned inability to process things in a timely fashion enough for me to be bullied into accepting an early May start date.
If they had have accepted my thesis on Friday (which was 3 months after my submission that they refuse to accept solely in virtue of my supervisor refusing to sign the ethics form) and they make me take 10 weeks to revise changes before hardbinding then that takes us through to around the end of February. Which is very nearly 12 calander months.
Instead...
They are trying to bully me into working on a slightly different project over the next 6 months.
Not a better project. Just a different project.
Because...
Because they are awful people, honestly.
Because then they will get to proclaim louder and with more justification that I'm incapable of getting work done on time.
Either they get Auckland to rank me for Medicine 2019 or they don't get a thesis from me at all.
Then I guess I'll be forced to do appeals / appeal to the government about a refund of fees since they took my money but were unable to do their job.
I guess this is how the DHB's have to be dealt with, too. And the Med school. Right the way along...
Tis just awful awful bullies who lacked the vision to pursue the ideal. Who decided squabbling and scraping amongst each other and kicking people back was their best chance of success. Of getting to join the fun (if that way of life is fun for you, I guess). Of having enough money to keep people in rental slums or to keep people as your unpaid servant in your house...
At least I see it for what it is, now.
Civilisation...
Tiny tiny little pockets of it.
The place I was at before... That started out great... I was there to witness the demise. Was part of the demise. I can list so many graduate students who were all bullied into quitting philosophy altogether. People still there who have mostly been bullied into ceasing all production.
Unless you want your life to be extracting what the bullies say about this, that, and the other thing (that they decide is a worthwhile project), and then writing that up for them. They persist as journal editors. It is what it is. Academic philospohy. I imagine things are similar across other fields. The arts. The social sciences. All the way to working in someones laboratory doing experiments they give you. All the way to slave labour, basically. Slaves earn their freedom by... Something Camus about displaying the appropriate emotion at the approrpiate time. There was one guy who could always extract... Permission to continue... Out of my last supervsior (and who appears to still do this) by spending the first portion of his talk basically expressing fear that his work isn't any good and these are just his initial thoughts and he still has so much work to do... And he has just the appropriate attitude of supplication (generally in my supervisors direction) for him to laugh and say 'now now x let's get on with it shall we' or similar...
Which is a variant of hui (meeting with the elders) for however many afternoons or days or weeks or months in order to obtain consents from the politically elite as part of gaining permission (from them) to... I don't know... Move on in and brutalise their people.
He used to be in Med. He used to be obsessed with psychopaths / psychopathy. But he seemed to know how to placate the bullies...
The interview was largely an exercise in acting. I guess because as a medical doctor you will in fact have to deal with / interact with an awful lot of psychopaths. There are lots of people (DHBs included) who want something for nothing. Your slave labour. To have you (who doesn't know anything) seeing people (telling them you don't know what's wrong, telling them you figured it out too late to do anything)... To have you doing that all day. To have you doing that all day INSTEAD OF giving you time in your day to pursue further training / further knowledge. THey don't want to pay you more for being better. They actually don't want you being any good. Being good at Medicine likely means being more expensive... Delivering actual treatments, I mean. It's cheaper if the people just curl up and die, already, you see. Extending life is more expensive...
You have to handle yourself amongst the psychopaths. I know there are bullies in Medicine, too. But they aren't the ones with the knowledge... There are some really smart bullies in philosoophy with knowledge... But they won't let their students progress because they'd rather keep them as slaves.
I guess at the end of the day we might end up with a similar thing.
I don't know.
I guess I'm just in the pursuit of my ends. Same as everyone else...
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