Posted by Solstice on December 20, 2010, at 6:51:15
In reply to Re: Again, the ridiculous.... :( W T F ??????, posted by morgan miller on December 19, 2010, at 23:56:34
> >And thing is - CE handled it all with a lot of decorum. He could have reacted as if he felt picked on, but he didn't. He could have acted offended and spouted off about the extraordinarily low threshhold in this situation, but he didn't.
>
> But CE did express in later in the thread that what Bob was doing did make him uncomfortable. So, I believe that CE did feel picked on, despite handling the situation with such grace.Yes - and that's my whole point. CE's graceful response is not a sign that what he was being graceful about was justified. CE's grace despite the questionable legitimacy of the request to rephrase is what makes him 10 feet tall.
> You can see how this would not be a good thing-one for a member to be made to feel uncomfortable and possibly picked on,I agree - and we probably all harbor a secret hope for a utopia where no one ever feels uncomfortable. Unfortunately, the reality is that until we breathe our last breath, discomfort, inequity, pain, injustice... it's all part of the human condition and I don't think there's a person alive who hasn't felt each of those. I wondered for a minute if living on an island alone would relive discomfort, but loneliness isn't a particularly good way to feel either. I don't know that Bob can be held responsible for the human condition. Anyway - I don't think Bob intended to pick on CE or make him feel picked on or uncomfortable. And I don't think my saying so is making an excuse for Bob, anymore than my saying I personally would not have tagged CE's statement as in need of rephrasing means that I'm making excuse for CE. I'm just sharing my view.
> and two, to not feel like it may be worth expressing they felt this way.I really can see that one could be left feeling exactly that. But if we really look at the whole discourse - I still don't see Bob trying to get CE to express no opinion, or a different opinion. What CE was expressing was fine - and Bob didn't indicate otherwise. He just wanted that opinion expressed in a way that didn't imply that it was 'hogwash' to be in the anti-psychiatry camp.
> I feel like you make many excuses for Dr. Bob.:-) Sometimes I worry about it looking like that - but I give Bob enough of a hard time that I doubt *he* thinks excuses are being made for him (by me anyway).
> I like Bob, from what I know of him, I just think he's making some mistakes in the way he is running his site.And I really don't think even Bob would argue with that. There's no way for him to run this site without making mistakes. Anyone running a site like this would make mistakes, including me.. and including you. That's where we have to understand that it might be our expectation that needs to be reviewed. It does not matter who is running the site, or what their 'rules' for it are. It is not possible to satisfy everyone's idea of the best way to run it. Utopia is.. well.. it's utopia. It doesn't exist. So a more satisfying way to take in the human factor is to just let it be imperfect. It's imperfect because it's full of a bunch of imperfect people, and run by an imperfect administrator. It's probably not realistic to expect it to be anything other than... imperfect.
> And for someone like Scott to come on here and express his concern of the way things are being run, there must be something to it.Let me tell you - Scott is probably one of the smartest and most balanced people I've ever encountered. He's a rare bird, that's for sure. His concerns are on-point and fair - and are a genuine wake up call. However, I'd be surprised if Scott expects a perfectly run site. I think the reason the post you're referring to is such an aberration for Scott is because I'm guessing he knows perfection is not realistic. However - his powerful post is certainly a call for improvement - and I think that's what Bob is trying to achieve... imperfectly perhaps.. but I do think Bob cares about this site and wants it to be as civil, welcoming, and member-friendly as possible.
Solstice
poster:Solstice
thread:973963
URL: http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20101201/msgs/974097.html