Posted by lil' jimi on November 17, 2006, at 22:06:05
In reply to Re: The Ongoing Effects of War ***Trigger*** » lil' jimi, posted by Declan on November 10, 2006, at 21:47:48
> >I don't know Jimi.
me neither.
> >If I think back to Vietnam and the lies that were told about it as it happened,
okay, i’m thinking back to vietnam. i’m thinking of some of the lies about it: any particular ones?
> >the people in the Administration then had a regard for truth,
oh? i missed that part. Which administration? nixon or johnson? lbj’s gulf of tonkin resolution comes to mind. and ol’ tricky dick’s “i am not a crook!”
no, really, what Kind of regard are we talking about here? not like a total DISregard?
> >shown in the breach rather than the observance.
i really have no idea what this means.
sorry.
“breach rather than the observance”.
nope, i got so little i can’t make up a theory.
may i buy a vowel ?> >And go back to WWII, and it's omissions from the truth.
uh, any ones in particular? neville chamberlain comes to mind, though he was more the deceived than deceiver. “This way to the showers”, was a killer.
> >Now we have leaders who are well understood by the public.
okay.
now, even if i wasn’t already tuned up with my complaints of our earlier vaguenesses here, i would STILL hear the “Hunh?” bell going off in my head when i read this one. “Well understood”? “By the Public”?(you’re jerking my chain, right? i am a victim of your too-subtle snark-laden sarcasm, yeah?)
i own view is deeply jaded about any of the public’s perceptions of any of our leaders.
the public strikes me as not profoundly perceptive, if only from the evidence that campaign advertising can influence them.
our “leaders” are Not exactly known for being the most straight forwardly forthcoming.
like, ever?> >As long as they hold nothing back, that seems to be what counts.
the ability to hold everything back without puking their eyeballs outta their faces is a required proficiency for applying for the job. okay, maybe not, but man, you got differenter leaders than we got in my hemisphere.
> > I don't really know about this,
with all due respect, man, neither do i.
neither do i.
could you clear me up here?> >but it's how it seems to me.
yeah, okay. but i do not understand how it seems to you.
at all.
sorry.
any elaboration or clarification would be a great help.> > Declan
with all kindness,
~ your confused friend in texasp.s. i believe i was saying that honesty in diplomacy can pay dividends in trust and support, while fast with the facts will bite you in the butt every time, internationally (the same way it does when dealing with the neighbors, neighborhoodedly).
ergo, Be reality-based like.
but i also believe that foreign relations succeed when folks of good will from both sides can penetrate the mountain ranges of prevarications, propaganda and hatred heaped between them.
that could even work in partisan politics i bet.
poster:lil' jimi
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