Posted by zeugma on October 31, 2005, at 19:29:14 [reposted on November 1, 2005, at 6:20:12 | original URL]
In reply to Re: the Ministry of Civility, posted by alexandra_k on October 31, 2005, at 18:38:27
alexandra
alexandra.
support and education.
perhaps i cannot educate anyone.
but education? what is education? in the U.S. this is a bit of a contentious word, in kansas there was a ruling telling a biology textbook to rewrite itself, because it presented 'creation science', i.e. creation of Earth ex nihilo in one week, and there is a bit of dispute here nowadays as to whether this is acceptable science... i.e. the ruling found it unacceptable science, but many disagree, and we may wonder what education is when we dispute issues like these. could i teach a child
(assuming i were a science teacher)
A. creationism as a theory on par with standard accounts (assuming i were a proponent of the standard account), could i propound what i saw as a fairytale as an account on par with standard account
B. standard account as on par with creationism, if i believed that standard account was concocted to prove creation science wrong
you see we in the U.S. are bitterly divided over what science is, and science is a component of education, and the ultimate purpose of education is support? yes in a sense, to teach one to know:
education also proceeds by more painful routes. in school and out. you know what i mean.
but i hold you very close to my heart.
i have a great deal of respect for gardenergirl and dinah also.
i think it's in large part a U.S. thing. a bitter division between people. i believe dinah is american also, she may have a different view.
there is division and hate everywhere, not exclusive to america. and we have profited greatly in the past by our oceans.
support and education?
ok as you said you don't understand how Bush has supporters, but there are some on this board
and kindness, but it is eluding me, not how i could be kind to those i disagree, because i disagree on many matters with dinah and yet wish that i could be kinder to her in the sense that she deserves kindness, and i wish i were kinder to my friends
well i would like to preach to other than the converted, as they say. i have written on specific aspects of Bush's policy, and the relevant comments have not been answered by any advocates of said president's policies. but perhaps that is because any such advocates feel intimdated by the liberal bias of the politics board, or have other reasons for not replying.
fair enough...
we have a vice president, considered by able scholars the most powerful in history, given key mention in an indictment that details the outing of a member of the central Intelligence Agency of this nation, a most serious charge and one that compromises national security and hence makes a lot of people here upset
and also involves the Iraq war, i.e. that the CIA member was outed b/c her husband had concluded there were no WMD in Iraq, her husband an intelligence expert delegated by the CIA to investigate charges of uranium bought by Saddam Hussein, charges said CIA investigator concluded were spurious
now the CIA is doing a damage assessment. for obvious reasons this assessment will not turn up on page 5 of your local newspaer anytime soon, unless something goes very wrong.
there is nothing uncivil or unkind in what i have said. in my miserable way i am trying to support and educate
i am miserable about this situation
Bush supporters are welcome to give me reason not to be miserable
but then you know that word that i had trouble with, 'truth'
there are specific remarks that George bush made on january 16, 2003
which led to CIA director George Tenet resigning,
and we are told we are fighting a war on terror
the former head of the CIA unit searching for bin Laden wrote a book called "Imperial Hubris"
which it is said was not well received by the Bush Admisnistration.
I suppose it was not to their taste
quite a rant, i have never ranted like this before
dear alexandra
-z
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thread:574039
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