Posted by beckett2 on October 9, 2018, at 21:07:08
In reply to Re: Today's Dominion Post » beckett2, posted by alexandra_k on October 9, 2018, at 17:27:21
> > is that what you mean, keeping your record clean as a way to preserve privacy.Yes, and also keeping details fro private insurance. If one was abused as a child, statistics funnel your information into certain categories: more likely to be ill than others. Or genetics: predisposed to cancer. Then you could be denied or charged more.
If a doctor has 15-20 minutes to spend with me, he or she does not need to know everything. I don't tell my gynecologist about my depression. No one hears about bipolar except my psychiatrist. You're right about the bloody medical history forms.
Also, now that there are computers, some things never disappear. That doesn't always seem right.My kid wants to get one of those genetic tests that reveal your ancestry, but I told him it would be under my name. Because all that info is saved and is already used w/o consent by law enforcement. What if he has a predisposition for some aliment? Idk. His generation is far more imperiled than mine.
> University residential halls (maybe not the elite one/s) but generally university residential halls feel like refugee camps. All the abused children. Only, we don't consider them children. We consider our kids to be adults at 16 so violence at / after then would not be considered 'child' abuse. Teen drinking is also endemic. The kids are self-soothing... With alcohol and sex... Sexual relationships between High School students and their teachers is also pretty common and we don't consider it abuse since 16 is the age of consent. Alcohol is legal at 18 but 16 year olds don't have trouble obtaining it from their 18 year old friends. The police don't police marajuana for personal use (if you have less than an ounce or two for distribution / dealing they will fairly much always turn a blind eye). The lawyers don't convict for any of these things because (recent rulings) these things are culturally / socially normal in this country (I think one or two were overturned on appeal - where the judge came out and said it was the victims fault). Women are also abusers in these parts. We do have strong women, and there are many cases of women abusing male husbands or partners or their own children.16 is very young. Here it's 18, except, I think, some states. Some states actually still have child marriage allowed. That's crazy. If a 12 yo girl is raped by an older man, they can get married to avoid rape charges. Maybe that's Florida? I could be maligning Florida.
Frankly, my heart would break just working with animals. I don't think I'd be able to sleep if I dealt with abused children. I say god bless those that are able to and do.>
> What do you do about all that?
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> I was better off on my own / looking after myself at 16. It's not a psychopath thing, it's reality. I was less likely to be abused by others if I kept my distance away from them. But I did incessantly call for help from the mental health system. And what I wanted was a relationship. A Mother, primarily. I suppose. Its not something you can get from friends. Not without ruining the friendship.
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> The pediatrics thing... I just mean that in these parts you see abused kid after abused kid after abused kid. I mean succession of broken bones and shaken children. Children who have been fed alcohol to get them to shut up. Neglected children. If you love children it must be really hard to patch them up and send them right back into the household that is only going to do that again. Add to that that the kid might have 1 caregiver (who is powerless to do anything) who is... Pleading for help. Only... There is no help. There might be a women's refuge, but often the Mother is the primary abuser. There really isn't any help. What are you going to do? Call he police? They can add it to some list... Take the kid away from the family? Where are you going to put the kid? Best case in some institution with all the other... Harry Harlow kind of kids. So the head psychiatrist can do 'love experiments' on them and observe the effects of child abuse...
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> Patch them up and send them on. If you loved kids... Wouldn't that break your heart?
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> I think if you loved kids... You would rather work with kids who had parents who loved their kids. Misfortune strikes. Rather than Mother strikes. Predictably.
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> I guess there is something wrong with most of the people who choose to stay here.
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> I think people are starting to work on the intrastructure so that good people can stay and work here. That's needed. But it's slow...
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> I will look into things... I guess I'm starting to realise just how little I will learn here / how much what it is that I will learn from here will have no application (only harmful application) in the developed world. I mean... What they will teach us about obtaining consent... Will more likely harm me than help me learn how to obtain consent... These sorts of things... I feel like if you could see someone good do these things then you could imitate that and it wouldn't be a big deal. I don't know that we have exposure so such role models in these parts, though. So people don't know how to go about it... So the kids (the medical students) straggle themselves up as best they can... But mostly consent is not obtained.
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> There have been very bad abuses in our recent past. For example, some guy taught his medical students how to do vaginal examinations on non-consenting women who were anesthetised for unrelated surgeries. Probably because he / they didn't know how to obtain consent and things seemed... Easier... This way. Cervical smears were also taken from newborns by one guy... Becuase he thought there would be abnormal cells present from birth (they were observing the natural course of cervical abnormalities because they thought the abnormalities would right themself without surgical intervention / becuase it was cheaper that way for the DHB). and then all the stuff on 'this particular clinic' or 'this particular region' (typically Maaori or Pacific Islander) doesn't get generic antibiotics because we are worried about breeding superbugs and they don't take their antibiotics anyway (so simple infections become rheumatic fever become faulty heart valves become faulty hearts). While simultaneously having extremely high levels of prophylactic antibiotics in our chicken farming industry (particularly).
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> There are bound to be countless more... Today...
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> Sigh.
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> I think I need to become a Medical Student.... And then it will be about limiting my exposure to the... Uncivilised... As much as possible. Becuase it would be nice to be in the position to help. And that's limited. I think it would be nice to do what I saw my p-doc do in Aussie... Work a bit in public and work a bit in private. I think the idea of mixed clinics and mixed demographics is important. I think NZ is heading towards.... Heading towards... Discovery that segregation is not good for Maaori rights. The issue is that currently Maaori want segregation because they believe (some small minority group of them) that Maaori will take better care of Maaori than non-Maaori would. Given that they want that... You kind of do have to let them...
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> I'm concerned about the segregation aspect... Maaori clinics are an obvious 'target' to be 'control group' or 'observational study' group or 'it's cheaper for the DHB to sit back and do nothing and observe the natural course of whatever ails you'. Insofar as Maaori think they are being treated (that they will be informed if they would be better of getting lab tests, or informed of their test results e.g., for cancer screenings).... These things need to happen. Or if they don't want to know then they should be able to choose which clinic they go to (the observation clinic or the treatment clinic). Rather than being told they should go to the Maaori clinic because the non-Maaori clinic is racist.
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> Let them take several generations to discover that segregation isn't working for them. Or... Maybe they will make segregation work out for them. Maybe they will.
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> We gotta let them develop how they want.
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> I... Can only watch so much of what feels like a train wreck of a situation, though.
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> I... I wouldn't want to rule out pediatrics. But there is only so much abused / neglected kid I could deal with. I certainly wouldn't consider it here. I wouldn't consider psychiatary either. Cancer surgery. Yeah. It'll be generations before we get medications etc to prevent the need for surgery. We're still sending the tissue biopsy samples... Somewhere... Somewhere... Somewhere... I feel strongly about informed consent. That's why we owe these medications more widely... Contributing biopsy samples is contributing to the process of discovery. Our people are worth more than that...
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> I'm glad she said 'some of our people could spot a bad trade offer'. We are not decent people. Most of our people could not spot a bad trade offer. Our previous government really wanted to take that bad trade offer. We don't have natural resources. But, that doesn't change the fact that our people are not decent, mostly. We are a culture of bullies. I'm glad I came back here because I have seen it's not restricted to Maaori. They learned much of their awful from the white people. White people are just as bad. That's good. I thought I was becoming racist before. I'm not racist. You get nasty people off all races.
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