Posted by rayww on November 14, 2008, at 12:15:59
In reply to Re: Keith Olberman on Prop 8 » rayww, posted by fayeroe on November 14, 2008, at 5:41:47
There are pockets here and there, and I happen to live in one of them. My friend's son is gay. I still love him and don't try to change him. I'm still best friends with his parents too. Another good friend has a son who grew up with mine. Still good friends. I can count half a dozen that I have personal connection to. I also know some who probably are, but don't practice it. Just like some people never marry, some others refrain from acting out their gay impulses. I live in a different world than you do. I don't see it like you do (obviously).
In my world people go to church on Sunday and they live the Gospel during the week. Living the Gospel requires restraint and self discipline. It requires sacrifice and service. It requires honesty and integrity, and adherence (like glue) to basic principles. It is a different world, but one I feel secure in. The whole world could fall apart, and I would feel secure, have hope, and feel the love of God.
I accept your arguments on each point, and agree with the can be's. But no matter how wonderful and perfect it can be for you and for children, it can not be marriage. I'm sorry if you read me as though I'm not tolerant, because I am tolerant. I appreciate that you are willing to discuss this with me here.
It's not about equal rights. It's about right and wrong. It's not about the U.S. Constitution. (btw, I'm Canadian) We in Canada have a different system than you in the U.S. Up here we just hope. :-)
In answer to your question, that I don't think needs an answer, but oh well, "I'm still waiting on how gay people are stealing black babydaddys!"
If I must....the grownups go into black communities and steal young boys, who I believe haven't experienced yet, and get them hooked on being gay. They use and use them until they are old enough to be daddys, then discard them, but by then they have no desire to be daddys....Surely you must have figured that one out.
That to me just shows how narrow your focus becomes when skewed. It's like you can't even see the other side. Sex becomes so paramount that it probably overshadows everything...compulsively. It becomes almost an OCD when acted upon.
Like the good senator from Idaho. He couldn't even go to the bathroom without, you know.
Me, I am uncomfortable talking, even writing about it (sex). It should be private, not openly disarming.
But as long as we're disarming it...let me just say sex can become obsessive compulsive for anyone who abuses it. Take me for example. I learned that if I even flirted with it I could become obsessed. I have had to stay from even the appearance of evil, but I doubt you would understand that. Yet in my marriage sex has been wonderful. The only time it wasn't was when I was flirting with ideas like that it was OK to have really good friends outside of marriage. Any really good friend I ever had eventually became a lust. I can see more clearly now that I'm past 60. I am very lucky and feel protected by an unseen power in my life, that I have been able to recognize what was happening before it happened, and put a stop to it. I see gay marriage as something like that, see what is happening before it happens. Many others can see clearly also, and many more rely on faith and answers to prayer that seem to be guiding them on this one. There is an unseen power in the universe, that one I was talking about earlier, that tries to sync everything together. And it's not the one world government either.
Why do you think the world is unraveling right now? It is so out of sync with nature and the whole universe, going against laws of order, but you likely can't see that as I can.
I am not trying to talk you into my or out of your lifestyle. I totally 100% accept you and your ideas without denial of anything. But marriage.
Marriage is what holds the world together. You should be glad that we are holding it together for you.
Look at Barak Obama, Sara Palin, Mitt Romney, and say "thank-you for holding the traditional family together". When you take a close look at their families you get a real good feeling.
Have you ever considered showing appreciation for traditional family?
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