Posted by rayww on November 13, 2008, at 12:21:18
In reply to Re: Keith Olberman on Prop 8 » rayww, posted by rskontos on November 13, 2008, at 9:30:12
> I am the product from a woman/man marriage and I was in no way protected in this union. My father watched as my mother who was ill and never rec'd help really hurt all three of us. Now that we are older my father says I really felt sorry for you children. I asked him why did he not do anything, he said I did not want to turn her anger on me.
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> So I don't think marriage in the traditional sense has a corner on the best results of producing the best children as you indicated. I agree children need to be protected but I don't think there is evidence that gay couples are more neglectful or less capable to be good parents. There are and have been less that stellar parents in traditional marriages. So I am not sure that arguement is completely sound but the principal of children's rights is a good one.
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> rskI am sorry that you have had such a bad experience, and feel for so many others who have too. It is outright disgusting, and I'm not sure anything can be done to compensate for their loss.
Do you see gay marriage as a compensation for heterosexual screw-ups? Many (gay) come from good families who have been kind and generous to them. They aren't in a same sex relationship because of wanting to revolt from home.
One issue is not connected to the other. There are arguments for and against on both sides. That is why you can't justify gay marriage based on screwed up heterosexual marriage. You have to examine marriage for marriage sake, and as I suggested before, see the "inflection" that totally changes the outcome at the other end. In order to see that detail you have to be able to see the broader picture; where were you before you were born, why are you here, and where will you be after you leave? Will you have the same desires then as now? Based on eternity, our 80 years plus or minus, is a tiny speck.
Then there are questions about God/Jehova/Alah/Jesus. Who is He? Why did he create a mistake like me? Or did he? Was I meant to be exactly who I am? How might I have changed course? Those are questions that everyone asks at some point as they travel their path through life. And it isn't necessarily the path of least resistance that counts the most.
Talk about screwed up, the world's religions with all their various and differing beliefs certainly fit there. But just because something good gets screwed up doesn't mean it still isn't good for someone.
The idea that if gays can't have marriage then it should be banned for everyone, or that all marriages should be performed by the government magistrate is screwy lewey.
Just because somebody changes the meaning of a word that I love to mean something vile and disgusting, like the word "screw", doesn't mean I have to stop saying it. Thong, thong, thong. Marriage, marriage marriage.
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