Posted by special_k on March 23, 2006, at 15:40:55
In reply to Re: Iraqi Deaths » special_k, posted by Dinah on March 23, 2006, at 14:41:48
> I'm not sure I'm up to explaining why a minority viewpoint should be taken into account when the wishes of the majority are to... Oh lordy. Definitely not up to it.
yeah. it is a hard one. i agree though that that would be one possible negative of a democracy where everyone gets one vote. say you have a minority of 5% and 95% think they should kill off or otherwise rip off the 5%. that would seem to be democratic in a sense... yet it would also seem to be er... not in the interestes of justice (i hope thats civil it is a hypothetical case...)
so i agree that that could be a probelm with democracy yeah.
Why don't you google ethnic warfare in Iraq.
ok. but i have to go to work soon...
> Are we siding with the Kurds? Of course not, where did you get that idea.cause of the oil thing... them sitting on the oil and willing to get producing... and the us kind of really really wanting production to be coming along... so i thought that might have been why there was sympathy for the kurds. cause turkey wants the oil too eh? but if they got it then how would production come along? i just thought the kurds were more sympathetic to the idea of getting the exports coming along...
> Would we be doing them a disservice by allowing ethnic tensions to play themselves out as they have in the past? In my humble opinion, allowing that would be unconscionable. Just as standing by in the Sudan is unconscionable. But that, of course, is just my conscience and reasonable people apparently do believe otherwise.
i guess my worry... is how much war helps the situation. kind of like... in private affairs... violence isn't really the way... rather you talk to people... maybe lock them up if it comes to that. i guess i think that instead of war... there should be courts... lock people up. i don't know that continued us occupation is helping things along.
it was meant to be a short war easily won...
tis starting to remind me of vietnam...
> In hindsight, I don't believe we should have gone in, hindsight being twenty-twenty and all. But I also believe that reasonable people could have concluded that the reluctance of the government to allow UN inspectors to look for WMD could have meant that there were WMD. That's why I said I regret that the UN inspectors weren't allowed to inspect.
ok. i've heard the claim that bush said to someone official... that he knew there weren't any wmd in iraq before the pre=emptive strike. if that is true... but maybe it is false... i think there is some kind of evidence... taperecording... maybe he said it in front of a bunch of people. can't quite remember. yeah i think we shuold be charitable... innocent until proven guilty etc. but i guess... if that is right...
:-(
> I just think that that is irrelevant in regards to what we should do *now*. What we should do *now* should be based on an analysis of the likely outcome of a pullout.and an analysis of the likely outcome of remaining...
the situation seems to be...
remaining fairly much just as bad
if not getting worse...:-(
stop the killing people i say
yeah if the troops withdraw people will die
but people are dying already
> Does the UN need to be asked to volunteer to replace US forces with UN ones?sorry...
not UN forces. to the best of my knowledge... the UN doesn't have any forces.
my thought was the US should turn the control of the US troops over to the UN. allies should do the same...
if the UN thinks it is a justified war...
Then the UN should control the troops (re when to withdraw etc)
that way...
people in funny corners of the world...
people in iraq...
might be less inclined to think that the war is really about advancing the US interests RE oil and economic takeover etc.
but...
most people in the world...
outside the us...
(i guess the us is divided)
but most people outside the us
(to the best of my knowledge)
were against the US occupation.
there is a problem of what to do now...
giving control of troops to the UN might be a good start. to kind of make up fo rthe whoopsie etc.
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