Posted by special_k on March 23, 2006, at 14:28:06
In reply to Re: Iraqi Deaths, posted by Dinah on March 23, 2006, at 13:50:54
> They're both theories. I thought your personal philosophy was that the most charitable assumptions be made?
Yes. Though in this case... Evidence is coming in is it not? Evidence regarding Bush admitting that he knew there were no WMD in the country before the war. I think there is an investigation into that... Yeah, charity is a guiding principle... But the evidence... IMO it is looking bad. But I guess we should see how it goes. I guess I've been hearing a lot about the claim that the war is unlawful because the initial argument... Came from a doctor in England who studied Philosophy in NZ and he was defended by a lawyer who is a QC who studied in NZ and so I have been reading a bit about that and... I think that side has a better case (though I'm probably biased towards pacifism)...
> That would be absolutely wonderful. Are they willing and eager to do this?
Do they need to be 'willing and eager'? Have they been asked if they would like to do that?
> > How would the US have felt about... Oh... Russia or someone coming along while you guys were doing the civil war thing...
> I'm not sure someone didn't? I know France took sides in the Revolutionary War.Did they come along with their military and occupy the country?
> Of course. If the majority of Iraqi citizens prefer us to leave them to their own devices, then I'm all for that.
Okay. I'll go on a links hunt...
Now yes I'll grant you that GPF is rather biased in the kinds of articles they collect to put links to on their site. But... They aren't funding the people who write the articles (in most cases). People write articles for the London Times and the New York Times and the San Francisco Times etc and they just collect them under various headings like 'foreign occupation' so people can read them on the net.So maybe you can find other news sources from other links off the net. But I'll have a little hunt around on GPF for some links...
> Ummm... Wait. Let me rephrase that. If the majority and the minority of Iraqi citizens prefer that we leave them to their own devices, then I'm all for that.?
You want 100% consensus?> Obviously in ethnic strife, the majority would usually like to be left to their own devices. Or at least the better armed side. If the Kurds and the other ethnic minorities all agree then let's by all means withdraw.
So seperate out all the minority groups...
And run an election for what each of them wants??
This is an interesting kind of democracy...
(Really)
Ok. So what's up with the Kurds? They are the ones most friendly to the US... Okay I'll have a hunt for that...Er...
Do you think all ethnic minorities should get... Their own govt?
Really... I'm interested because there has been some talk of having a seperate Maori govt in NZ. Currently I think they get something like 3 designated seats in parliament... Which... I might be wrong... But I think that exceeds their 10% (roundabouts) of the population status... We have around 10% asian population too... But I guess we didn't sign a treaty with them...
So... US has sided with the Kurds? ANd there is concern that if the troops withdraw the kurds will lose the civil war?
Er... Why is it the US business to make sure the kurds win the war or whatever???
Or is the idea that if the US troops withdraw then the ethnic majority in Iraq will kill the kurds (ie genocide)
Is that the idea?
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