Posted by Dinah on March 23, 2006, at 13:50:54
In reply to Re: Iraqi Deaths, posted by special_k on March 23, 2006, at 13:33:29
> > The removal of a strong, (insert a few adjectives here) government leads to more violence in a country where age old hatreds have been kept in check with (insert methods of keeping hatreds in check here).
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> Hmm. The presence of a foreign occupying force also leads to more violence in a country where the majority of citizens want... Them to withdraw (can find link if people would like)
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> > The current war against Iraq may have been based on incorrect assumptions, and had the correct information been known, would probably have never been undertaken.
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> That is one theory. ANother theory is that it was known before pre-emptive strike that there were no WMD in Iraq... And that there were other motives for the war such as oil and economic takeover etc.They're both theories. I thought your personal philosophy was that the most charitable assumptions be made?
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> > But isn't the question *now* what to do to minimize the number of deaths? Most analysts I've seen, whether or not they were opposed to the war, don't believe a pullout will result in the least number of deaths - other than of course deaths among the soldiers.
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> i can find a link if people would like.
> How many insurgents were there supposed to be?
> How many have been killed now?
> Either the body count means... There really aren't very many insurgents left (which doesn't seem right)
> Or more civilians than insurgents are part of that body count
> Or civilians are becoming insurgents at a very rapid rate...
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> I've heard the latter is probable.
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> If it is about the welfare of Iraq...
> Why not turn the troops over to the UN to control?That would be absolutely wonderful. Are they willing and eager to do this?
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> What do the Iraq citizens want?
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> The US troops to withdraw.
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> Civil war...
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> How would the US have felt about... Oh... Russia or someone coming along while you guys were doing the civil war thing...I'm not sure someone didn't? I know France took sides in the Revolutionary War.
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> ?
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> > There is no "good" solution at this point. But perhaps we can look to history to help us find the least bad solution.
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> Or...
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> YOu could look at what the majority of citizens want.
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> Ahem.
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> Iraq citizens of course...
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Of course. If the majority of Iraqi citizens prefer us to leave them to their own devices, then I'm all for that.Ummm... Wait. Let me rephrase that. If the majority and the minority of Iraqi citizens prefer that we leave them to their own devices, then I'm all for that. Obviously in ethnic strife, the majority would usually like to be left to their own devices. Or at least the better armed side. If the Kurds and the other ethnic minorities all agree then let's by all means withdraw.
poster:Dinah
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