Posted by rayww on March 5, 2005, at 19:24:11
In reply to marriage isn't religious.., posted by NikkiT2 on March 5, 2005, at 13:21:31
Thank-you NikkiT2 for entering this discussion. I would like to reply to several of your ideas/opinions, in the five minutes I have here. I hundred percent support civil union and believe in freedom of choice and its positive or negative consequenses within and without the framework of law.
When you speak of separating religion and politics what do you mean? Do you mean that any civil law that is the same as a commandment should be excluded? What came first religion or politics? By the fact that the ten commandments have been altered in their many translations is evidence that politics has interfered with religion over the ages. I don't see how law can be separated between religion and politics concerning right and wrong because both are based on belief. If you can explain this to me I may be able to understand.
To some people marriage isn't religious, but to many cultures it is. Marriage is central to my religion, not just the till death do we separate eternally type, but the real McCoy, eternal marriage. There is no marrying in heaven, it has to be performed on earth by the proper authority. Then if you add the commandments, one of which is not to commit adultry - - meaning sex outside the bond of legal marriage - - and if you change the law to include gay marriage, then adultry has changed. It is now permissable to have sex between members of the same sex, or man and woman, and as long as you are in either bond then you are in good standing with God. In my opinion you cannot separate religion from politics on this issue. It must be named something other than marriage. Rights and privileges can be offered, but they must be different, not entirely the same. It must be a different type of contract. Either way, as I opinionize this, there must be a compromise from both sides to make it work.
And, of your last comment, the points you referred to were of the law of Moses, which was fulfilled in Christ. All of those rituals were actually to symbolize the coming of Christ, and a reminder of His sacrifice, which they didn't understand at that time, in our behalf. There is so much more to all of this that most just cannot comprehend or understand. I am trying to understand both sides. Please enlighten me more.
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> I had an entirely civil (ie, non-religious) wedding.. By law in England, if you have a non-church wedding, no mention of anything even slightly religious is allowed.. You can't have religious music (eg, walking down the aisle to Ava Maria), no prayers, no mention of God etc etc.
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> I am married, legally, to my husband, and that gives me certain legal rights. If he were to die intestate, I would be his next of kin to inherit. If he were in a serious accident, I am next of kin to make medical decisions..
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> Why shouldn't a gay person have these same rights?
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> And rayww's comment "A marriage is a contract that carries within it the power to create".. No, sexual intercourse is what carries the power to create.. Marriage isn't needed, or required, to have children. I haven't married to have children.. I married as I love my husband and we wanted to recognise that legally and in front of friends and family.
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> I fail to understand WHY a gay person should not have the same rights in a relationship as my husband and I do.
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> I'm lucky that I'm in the UK, and gay marriage is shortly to be made legal.
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> I hear alot about the seperation of Church and State from the US, so surely this should be viewed in a purely political way?
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> And rayww - as for living life according the bible.. I don't really fancy animal sacrifice after giving birth, or having to hide myself away while menstruating thanks.
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> Nikki
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