Posted by snoozin on March 1, 2005, at 8:10:07
In reply to Re: Gay Marriage » snoozin, posted by rayww on March 1, 2005, at 0:16:20
> Mormons (myself included) marry in the temple for time and all eternity. We believe heaven is organized and governed according to family, with Adam and Eve at the head of our particular one.
<<I totally respect what you are saying. I was trying to take it outside of a religious context, because I *know* gay marriage doesn't sit well within most religious doctrines. And I would never, ever want someone to do something that goes against their religion.I was speaking as an attorney, who sees marriage as a legal contract for legal purposes only.
>> God inspired our founding fathers with the outcome in mind of freedom, especially freedom of religion.
<<I agree, I *always* want there to be freedom of religion. Even though I'm not particularly religious, this is a very important concept for me.>>You have the right to be gay if you choose. You do not have the right to change the constitutions.
<<Well, I'm not gay, but I do believe sexual orientation is not a matter of choice. I think it's something people are born with. And under that premise, then God has created some people as gay. And if God did that, then being gay can't be bad or wrong.>> but when you say you want gay marriage, you are talking about changing the whole constitution of life as outlined in the Bible.
<<Perhaps that is so. I am definitely not an expert on the Bible. But I was talking within the context of legal institutions here in the U.S. It is a secular legal institution which is why merely being married by a religious cleric is not good enough in the eyes of the government, you must also have a license issued by the state.It's a two-pronged procedure for most religious people. Marriage within the context of religion and marriage within the context of the legal system. You can get married without a religious ceremony here in the U.S. but you can't get married without State approval.
But I certainly don't disagree with your views of marriage within religion. I respect them very much.
>
> The issue isn't just about gay union.
poster:snoozin
thread:464602
URL: http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/poli/20050122/msgs/464808.html