Posted by desolationrower on March 19, 2009, at 1:07:49
In reply to Re: To much DA in with total MAO inhibition = low bp? » JadeKelly, posted by myco on March 18, 2009, at 11:58:14
> These are things that I put into me on a daily basis to deal with anxiety or sleep:
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> -nardil 75mg (morn, aft, night)
> -multivitamins (one of those big centrum things)
> -extra B's when needed
> -extra calcium and D when needed (usually everyday in morning)
> -Various types of herbal teas with no caffeine - most benign ones but i use one called AdrenaTea...contains rhodiola and licorice and a few other sedative type plants...never had a bad experience with this one. taken for many month everynight
> -occasional magnesium citrate capsules (300mg total) cuz it works on benzo sites to calm me
> -melatonin (0.3-1mg; literally; discontinued for now)
> -seroquel (25mg, discontinued for now)
> -doxylamine (last night 25mg, antihistamine for sleep)
> -"scullcap" extract - benzo-like herb. 3-4 nights a week
> -occasionally (no we get funky and stupid on my part perhaps) L-tyrosine (100mg - tiny dose) for stimulation. have used total of 6 times on nardil only. 5htp (20mg - tiny dose - follows the next day with tyrosine - 6 times total only). havent used either of these in weeks.
> -temazepam (30mg) once in a blue moon or when scullcap isnt cutting it. i dont like to overuse these guys. this actually surpressed my bp symptoms one night allowing me think it may be over then the next day nope still there
> -norflex (OTC muscle relaxant - occasionally - last time 5 days ago during that hell)
> -acetominophen - 400mg tops usually - as needed for those blasted throbbing headaches - minor relief
> -ibuprofin (400-800mg) occasional - prefer acet for head and ibu for body pain. used 2 days ago for that chest pain - didnt work.
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> Thats been my ritual as of late...different stuff has occured in the near distant past but these are the closest ones.
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> The green tea extract has something called EGCG in very high content (its healthy for people they say)....biochemically it is a natural decarboxylase inhibitor Jade...what that means is that when you take enough of it it prevent L-dopa from becoming dopamine and 5htp from becoming seratonin temporarily then you get a dopamine and seratonin surge. That dopamine will definately play on nardil dopamine effects so thats why i think (i almost am sure) green tea extract set off a chain of events leading to out of control bp...to much DA does that as I understand but not sure. Bloody stupid call on my part to take whole capsule and not break it open and take a part. Living (lol holding on anyway) and learning.
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> Oh yes i forgot...one of my fav teas...green tea with ginseng...taken most days for a quick blast of stimulation. one cup (two most) brewed no more than 4 min - i am aware of potential problems of ginseng but thought was ok in tiny bits. Last time taken 4 days ago during hell week.
> Did I notice a diff? no...made me feel better on my feet actually...took away the sluggish no energy side effect of the bp issueDude......EGCG is something, but so is that other stuff. The thing with EGCG is that theres been a shittonne of research on it, so you actually can know what it does, even something like norflex,,an anticholinergic could be causing your symptoms. I'm willing to try lots of stuff, but i don't take stuff just without knowing what it does and what could go wrong...skullcap do you know everything it does? theres no way, it hasn't been studied much. Herbs with pharmaceuticals (or even just other high-dosed herbs) can f*ck you up. if there is an interaction, its likely from something you are still taking.
-d/r
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