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Dr. Bob is Robert Hsiung, MD,
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Posted by greywolf on August 6, 2007, at 22:49:31
In reply to Lou's reply to Dr.Hsiung-gd4comunasawhole, posted by Lou Pilder on July 8, 2007, at 12:01:52
My respectful suggestion, Lou, is that you simply lay out your treatise encompassing the twelve topics you detail above. Don't keep everyone in suspense, edify us.
Greywolf
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 6, 2007, at 22:49:31
In reply to Don't keep us in suspense, Lou, posted by greywolf on July 9, 2007, at 17:41:13
> My respectful suggestion, Lou, is that you simply lay out your treatise encompassing the twelve topics you detail above. Don't keep everyone in suspense, edify us.
>
> GreywolfGreywolf,
You wrote,[...lay out..don't keep everyone...].
There could be aspects unbeknownst to some concerning the concept of,[...good for the community as a whole...] that I would like to present here.
These concepts have their roots in historic time periods and one of the important time periods IMO is in the last half of 1800. These concepts were the foundation for some of the people in the 1900's that used those concepts in their ideology. In particular, but not limited to, from 1920 to 1945. These concepts of,[...good for the community as a whole...]can be seen in their ideology and for those that rejected their foundational concepts such as people that I will show later.
I would like for those interested in this discussion to search the ideology of the following people for backgroungd to this IMO important topic here to show both the concept promulgated by them, and those that repudiated those concepts later.
A. Joseph Arthur Gobineau
B. Hienrich von Treitschke
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 6, 2007, at 22:49:32
In reply to Don't keep us in suspense, Lou, posted by greywolf on July 9, 2007, at 17:41:13
> My respectful suggestion, Lou, is that you simply lay out your treatise encompassing the twelve topics you detail above. Don't keep everyone in suspense, edify us.
>
> GreywolfGreywolf,
You wrote,[...lay out..topics you detail..everyone in suspense...]
I had requested that there are some ideologies tha could be helpful to know in tis discussion.
Another idealology was promulgated by Benito Mussolini, {Il Duce}
I will present what his idealology was in the aspect of this discussion ie;[..good for the community as a whole...].
Il Duce's ideology was shaped by others before him and he popularized the idealology of fascism according to him.
Here is a photo of Benito Mussolini, {Il Duce}. And if anyone would like me to post more, it could be helpful if there is a post from another member.
Lou
http://www.bassilo.it/area_alunni/Ada Negri/duce.gif
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 6, 2007, at 22:49:32
In reply to Lou's reply to greywolf- » greywolf, posted by Lou Pilder on July 17, 2007, at 15:23:25
> > My respectful suggestion, Lou, is that you simply lay out your treatise encompassing the twelve topics you detail above. Don't keep everyone in suspense, edify us.
> >
> > Greywolf
>
> Greywolf,
> You wrote,[...lay out..topics you detail..everyone in suspense...]
> I had requested that there are some ideologies tha could be helpful to know in tis discussion.
> Another idealology was promulgated by Benito Mussolini, {Il Duce}
> I will present what his idealology was in the aspect of this discussion ie;[..good for the community as a whole...].
> Il Duce's ideology was shaped by others before him and he popularized the idealology of fascism according to him.
> Here is a photo of Benito Mussolini, {Il Duce}. And if anyone would like me to post more, it could be helpful if there is a post from another member.
> Lou
> http://www.bassilo.it/area_alunni/Ada Negri/duce.gif
>
Greywolf,
In regards to your wanting me to [...lay out..topics...], I would like for the ideology of Alfred Rosenberg of the German era from 1922 to 1945 be searched. If anyone would like the links from me, they could email me for them if they like.
Natioanl Socialism was the doctrine of the party in Germany from 1933 at Hitler's election to 1945.
The name comes from National Socialist German Worker's Party. In German it is;
Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. The name, Nazi, was coined by those that used the abbreviation.
The leader was Adolf Hitler, (Der Fuehrer).
I could continue if others posted. If not, and one here would like to email, one could email me and I could show the ideology of Nazism in relation to [...good for the community as a whole...], which added to Mussolini's fascism ideology.
Here is a picture of Der Fuehrer (Adolf Hitler) with Benito Mussolini (Il Duce).
Lou
http://hsgm.free.fr/rajoutsguerre/dirigeants/hitlermussolini.jpg
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 6, 2007, at 22:49:32
In reply to Don't keep us in suspense, Lou, posted by greywolf on July 9, 2007, at 17:41:13
> My respectful suggestion, Lou, is that you simply lay out your treatise encompassing the twelve topics you detail above. Don't keep everyone in suspense, edify us.
>
> GreywolfGreywolf,
The saying,[...good for the community as a whole...] has been the banner for centuries to many leaders. What I am going to post here might be something that could be unbeknownst to many concerning the history of the motto,[...good for the community as a whole...].
I base this on that I may be one of a few people with background that has had me be trained as to know what the origin and history is concerning that motto.
I was trained and actually promoted the concept to others as it was practiced 800 years ago, in England. Nottingham, England.
That was not the first place that the concept was practiced, but that is where it was popularized in a particular form that spread throughout England and then to Canada and the US.
What I could write here in the form of education to the community, and for members to have a better understanding of this concept, could also possibly explain how fascism and National Socialism and other dictatorships were accepted by the country that was under a totalitarian leader. Does it be a wonder how those countries were able to be established under totalitarianism? I can explain that and I hope that people here could have a better understanding of this concept after they read what I would like to post here.
You see, many of those people in those countries under totalitarian rule innitially accepted that. Was not Hitler elected? What did he do to have that many people want him to be elected and to become der Feueher?
The concept of [...good for the community as a whole...] comes into play here. It was not new to Hitler of Moussolini or Stalin, for the concept is ancient. The concept is in many forms, for Jesus of Nazareth had a different concept to [...good for the community as a whole...]than Hitler or Mussolini or Stalin and other totalitarian dictators. And so did Dr. Martin Luther King jr and many others. But what is the difference that makes them different? I could show that.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 6, 2007, at 22:49:32
In reply to Don't keep us in suspense, Lou-edu » greywolf, posted by Lou Pilder on July 30, 2007, at 21:53:34
> > My respectful suggestion, Lou, is that you simply lay out your treatise encompassing the twelve topics you detail above. Don't keep everyone in suspense, edify us.
> >
> > Greywolf
>
> Greywolf,
> The saying,[...good for the community as a whole...] has been the banner for centuries to many leaders. What I am going to post here might be something that could be unbeknownst to many concerning the history of the motto,[...good for the community as a whole...].
> I base this on that I may be one of a few people with background that has had me be trained as to know what the origin and history is concerning that motto.
> I was trained and actually promoted the concept to others as it was practiced 800 years ago, in England. Nottingham, England.
> That was not the first place that the concept was practiced, but that is where it was popularized in a particular form that spread throughout England and then to Canada and the US.
> What I could write here in the form of education to the community, and for members to have a better understanding of this concept, could also possibly explain how fascism and National Socialism and other dictatorships were accepted by the country that was under a totalitarian leader. Does it be a wonder how those countries were able to be established under totalitarianism? I can explain that and I hope that people here could have a better understanding of this concept after they read what I would like to post here.
> You see, many of those people in those countries under totalitarian rule innitially accepted that. Was not Hitler elected? What did he do to have that many people want him to be elected and to become der Feueher?
> The concept of [...good for the community as a whole...] comes into play here. It was not new to Hitler of Moussolini or Stalin, for the concept is ancient. The concept is in many forms, for Jesus of Nazareth had a different concept to [...good for the community as a whole...]than Hitler or Mussolini or Stalin and other totalitarian dictators. And so did Dr. Martin Luther King jr and many others. But what is the difference that makes them different? I could show that.
> Lou
>
Greywolf,
The concept of,[...good for the community as a whole...]has its roots going back to the Great Pyramids with those that worked with stone.
So for 1000s of years, men have had the time to form a body of knowlege concerning how to build a community. The tactics used of the centuries have been written about and were developed from feudalism. The concept is with us today in two branches with sub branches from those.
One branch is where the community is to please the leader and do his wishes and says that the community is to trust him. From that branch we have fascism , National Socialism (NAZI) and others. The trust originally in the Roman era was God-trust, where the leader was a god to them. After all, I guess if a leader can portray himself as a god,well...
As time went on, the aspects of building a community became even more well-known. There were communities where the members were not having to trust the leader. Democracy has roots from that concept.
The first aspect was to create close bonds between members to give a sense of brotherhood and loyalty which could give the members a sense of empowerment. There could be an ideal belief established and create an "ideal man". This has been stoked in historical communities in many ways, one of which is by fostering animosity toward another group and claiming that your group is the {master} group.
The community is reinforced by haveing bonding retreats, or meetings where there are projects and working together. The members feel of being part of something.
Then there could be created a group that are "outsiders" being stigmatized and defamed by false accusations that they are harming the group, ie[..not good for the community as a whole...]. These people were portrayed as a threat to the harmony of the community as in fascism and National Socialism and other communities that used others a scapegoats.
In their loyalty to the leader, the leader also fostered a sense that the mmbers were doing a {greater good} to gang up on the group being portrayed by the leader as a threat to the group and that those people are harming the civic welfare of the community. This {greater good} could cause others to think that even mass-murder is justified for the good of the community as a whole. You see, it is the phrase {as a whole} that I will bring into this discussion more and show you the historical psychological persuasion tactics involved in that part of,[...{good for} the community {as a whole}...].
The community can be built with others that the leader had deputies to do his wishes. The National Socialists had many deputies to do the leader's wishes and since they were under the aspect of {trusting} the leader, they did his wishes even if they knew that they were wrong.
Some of the National Socialist's deputies tried to resign. One, flew to England and bailed out to try to meet with Churchill to make peace.(Hess). Another, Adolf Eichmann, escaped justice in 1945.
I would like for those interested in this discussion as per Dr. Hsiung posting in this thread that he would like to hear what members think, to do a search on Adolf Eichmann. Here is a link to a picture of Adolf Eichmann
Lou
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7d/OldEichmann.jpg
Posted by Racer on August 6, 2007, at 22:49:32
In reply to Re: Don't keep us in suspense, Lou-gudfrwhol, posted by Lou Pilder on August 4, 2007, at 9:19:18
> The community can be built with others that the leader had deputies to do his wishes. The National Socialists had many deputies to do the leader's wishes and since they were under the aspect of {trusting} the leader, they did his wishes even if they knew that they were wrong.
> Some of the National Socialist's deputies tried to resign. One, flew to England and bailed out to try to meet with Churchill to make peace.(Hess). Another, Adolf Eichmann, escaped justice in 1945.
> I would like for those interested in this discussion as per Dr. Hsiung posting in this thread that he would like to hear what members think, to do a search on Adolf Eichmann. Here is a link to a picture of Adolf Eichmann
> Lou
> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7d/OldEichmann.jpg
>
>
>Are you saying here that I, as a deputy, am a modern day Eichmann? Are you comparing me, personally, as a deputy, to the Nazi SS leadership?
Please clarify this for me.
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 6, 2007, at 22:49:32
In reply to Please clarify something for me » Lou Pilder, posted by Racer on August 5, 2007, at 0:37:33
> > The community can be built with others that the leader had deputies to do his wishes. The National Socialists had many deputies to do the leader's wishes and since they were under the aspect of {trusting} the leader, they did his wishes even if they knew that they were wrong.
> > Some of the National Socialist's deputies tried to resign. One, flew to England and bailed out to try to meet with Churchill to make peace.(Hess). Another, Adolf Eichmann, escaped justice in 1945.
> > I would like for those interested in this discussion as per Dr. Hsiung posting in this thread that he would like to hear what members think, to do a search on Adolf Eichmann. Here is a link to a picture of Adolf Eichmann
> > Lou
> > http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7d/OldEichmann.jpg
> >
> >
> >
>
> Are you saying here that I, as a deputy, am a modern day Eichmann? Are you comparing me, personally, as a deputy, to the Nazi SS leadership?
>
> Please clarify this for me.Racer,
Please do not post to me.
Lou
Posted by confuzyq on August 6, 2007, at 22:49:32
In reply to Lou's request to Racer to please do not post to me » Racer, posted by Lou Pilder on August 5, 2007, at 6:12:43
> > Are you saying here that I, as a deputy, am a modern day Eichmann? Are you comparing me, personally, as a deputy, to the Nazi SS leadership?
> >
> > Please clarify this for me.
>
> Racer,
> Please do not post to me.
> Lou
>Lou, this is the same kind of clarification that you would readily request from another, right down to asking if someone's words were meant to cast you yourself or members of your religion in a certain light with which you wouldn't be pleased.
Also, it was my understanding that for a PDNP to be honored by Admin now, the situation must meet more requirements than previously. For example, that some kind of harrassment or badgering was taking place, or something blatantly unkind, thoughtless or uncivil was said. Otherwise, it was posited that PDNPs in themselves had the potential to be uncivil, if some kind of personal distaste only but no clear cause for the upset and request could be seen.
Racer's question doesn't consist of any of that. If her feelings might be hurt by a possible interpretation of your words, why not just answer and tell her if her interpretation was correct or incorrect?
Posted by ConfuzyQ on August 6, 2007, at 22:49:33
In reply to Don't keep us in suspense, Lou, posted by greywolf on July 9, 2007, at 17:41:13
> My respectful suggestion, Lou, is that you simply lay out your treatise encompassing the twelve topics you detail above. Don't keep everyone in suspense, edify us.
>
> Greywolf?
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 6, 2007, at 22:49:33
In reply to Don't keep us in suspense, Lou, posted by greywolf on July 9, 2007, at 17:41:13
> My respectful suggestion, Lou, is that you simply lay out your treatise encompassing the twelve topics you detail above. Don't keep everyone in suspense, edify us.
>
> Greywolfgreywolf,
One of the people that I would like for those interested to do a search for if they like is Joeseph Geobbles. In a search, his concept of [...good for the community as a whole...] could be there.
Here is a link to a picture of him.)smiling?)
http://instructi.cit.cornell.edu/course/his452/Alcohol/2107.jpg
Here is a link to a picture of the fascist leaders together (smiling?) that I thought that I could includeto show that they were in concert in relation to fascism with National Socialism (Nazi) having an additional meaning of [...{good for}... {the whole}...].
http://www.flatrock.org.nz/topics/history/assets/hitler_and mussolini.jpg
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 6, 2007, at 22:49:33
In reply to Don't keep us in suspense, Lou-thtcrtnsmil » greywolf, posted by Lou Pilder on August 6, 2007, at 19:12:10
> > My respectful suggestion, Lou, is that you simply lay out your treatise encompassing the twelve topics you detail above. Don't keep everyone in suspense, edify us.
> >
> > Greywolf
>
> greywolf,
> One of the people that I would like for those interested to do a search for if they like is Joeseph Geobbles. In a search, his concept of [...good for the community as a whole...] could be there.
> Here is a link to a picture of him.)smiling?)
> http://instructi.cit.cornell.edu/course/his452/Alcohol/2107.jpg
> Here is a link to a picture of the fascist leaders together (smiling?) that I thought that I could includeto show that they were in concert in relation to fascism with National Socialism (Nazi) having an additional meaning of [...{good for}... {the whole}...].
> http://www.flatrock.org.nz/topics/history/assets/hitler_and mussolini.jpg
> LouThe corrected link to Joeseph Geobbels
http://instruct1.citcornell.edu/course/his452/Alcohol/2107.jpg
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 6, 2007, at 22:49:33
In reply to Don't keep us in suspense, correction-thtcrtnsmil, posted by Lou Pilder on August 6, 2007, at 19:18:23
> > > My respectful suggestion, Lou, is that you simply lay out your treatise encompassing the twelve topics you detail above. Don't keep everyone in suspense, edify us.
> > >
> > > Greywolf
> >
> > greywolf,
> > One of the people that I would like for those interested to do a search for if they like is Joeseph Geobbles. In a search, his concept of [...good for the community as a whole...] could be there.
> > Here is a link to a picture of him.)smiling?)
> > http://instructi.cit.cornell.edu/course/his452/Alcohol/2107.jpg
> > Here is a link to a picture of the fascist leaders together (smiling?) that I thought that I could includeto show that they were in concert in relation to fascism with National Socialism (Nazi) having an additional meaning of [...{good for}... {the whole}...].
> > http://www.flatrock.org.nz/topics/history/assets/hitler_and mussolini.jpg
> > Lou
>
> The corrected link to Joeseph Geobbels
> http://instruct1.citcornell.edu/course/his452/Alcohol/2107.jpg
> Lou
>
Friends,
Here is a corrected link to the picture of Joseph Goebbels
http://instruct1.cit.cornell.edu/courses/his452/Alcohol/2107.jpg
Here is a different link to the picture of der Fueher and Il Duce (smiling?)
http://www.historywiz.com/images/worldwarII/hitler-muss.gif
Lou
Posted by greywolf on August 6, 2007, at 22:49:33
In reply to Don't keep us in suspense, correction-thtcrtnsmil, posted by Lou Pilder on August 6, 2007, at 20:40:30
Honestly, I have no idea what you're getting at Lou, and, frankly, I don't have the time to figure it all out (remember, some of us here are busy working on some serious personal issues). So, if you've got a point you'd like to make, I suggest that you make it directly and clearly.
Please cut out all of the "if someone is interested I could prove X" type stuff and just get to whatever point you're interested in making. Then I'll read it, thank you for your thoughts, comment if I feel like it, and move on with life.
Greywolf
Posted by Dr. Bob on August 6, 2007, at 23:04:17
In reply to Re: Lou's request to Racer to please do not post t » Lou Pilder, posted by confuzyq on August 6, 2007, at 22:49:32
> it was my understanding that for a PDNP to be honored by Admin now, the situation must meet more requirements than previously.
Sorry to interrupt again, but I'd like to keep follow-ups regarding PDNPs at Psycho-Babble Administration. Here's a link:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20070702/msgs/774475.html
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by Sigismund on August 7, 2007, at 21:55:03
In reply to Don't keep us in suspense, correction-thtcrtnsmil, posted by Lou Pilder on August 6, 2007, at 22:49:33
Thank you Lou for the lovely photos.
They are not what I call smiles, but then again, it might have been better if the Fuehrer had not even attempted it.
He had a funny thing about laughing, I know that.
Posted by Sigismund on August 7, 2007, at 21:59:04
In reply to Lou's request to Racer to please do not post to me » Racer, posted by Lou Pilder on August 6, 2007, at 22:49:32
He *seems* so much nicer than the others.
Quite handsome, I feel compelled to say.
So nice to see someone to talk to on the Politics Board.
Posted by ConfuzyQ on August 8, 2007, at 1:05:25
In reply to Eichmann, posted by Sigismund on August 7, 2007, at 21:59:04
> So nice to see someone to talk to on the Politics Board.
I often wonder if Internet passersby, who don't have the inside scoop on the reasons this board is a ghost town, are stunned and bewildered. And I'm surprised a few haven't registered and hastily assumed the policies here are the same as at so many other forums (maybe even thinking "Hey! *I'll* get this party started!"), then... kablam! Right outta da gate. ;-)
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 8, 2007, at 16:37:39
In reply to Eichmann, posted by Sigismund on August 7, 2007, at 21:59:04
> He *seems* so much nicer than the others.
>
> Quite handsome, I feel compelled to say.
>
> So nice to see someone to talk to on the Politics Board.Friends,
The poster wrote,[...Eichmann (subject line)...nicer than the others...handsome..nice to see someone to talk to...]
Does the grammatical structure of the post mean that:
A. Eichmann is nicer than the (others)?
B. The (others) are not identified in the post in question, so who are the others?
C. Who is the one that it is nice to talk to?
D. redacted by discussant
E. Eichmann is nicer looking than Hitler and Mussolini and Geobbels?
F. Handsome people look like Eichmann?
G. other things that the post could be saying that are not specified
Lou
Posted by Sigismund on August 8, 2007, at 17:00:42
In reply to Lou's response to Sigismund's post-musoeichohit, posted by Lou Pilder on August 8, 2007, at 16:37:39
Hello Lou
I'm very impressed by Option D (redacted by discussant) though I confess I do not understand what the word means. I came across this when reading Harold Bloom's "The Book of J", where one of the biblical authors of the first 4 Biblical books was called 'the redactor'. I once went to the effort of reading the text of Eichmann's interrogation. For people who set such store by racial appearance, the Nazis were a pretty unprepossessing lot. Hitler did have this funny thing about laughing. Some of his most menacing speeches mention it, and he would cover his mouth when he did so. I have even seen a *relatively* attractive photo of him (early in the war, successfully invading Yugoslavia), so clearly I have spent more time than is sensible on this sort of thing. I hesitate to say anything more positive about Eichmann. He can't have been honest during his interrogation. But perhaps 20 years later those enthusiasms had faded and seemed like a distant dream?
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 8, 2007, at 20:37:35
In reply to Re: Lou's response to Sigismund's post-musoeichohi » Lou Pilder, posted by Sigismund on August 8, 2007, at 17:00:42
> Hello Lou
>
> I'm very impressed by Option D (redacted by discussant) though I confess I do not understand what the word means. I came across this when reading Harold Bloom's "The Book of J", where one of the biblical authors of the first 4 Biblical books was called 'the redactor'. I once went to the effort of reading the text of Eichmann's interrogation. For people who set such store by racial appearance, the Nazis were a pretty unprepossessing lot. Hitler did have this funny thing about laughing. Some of his most menacing speeches mention it, and he would cover his mouth when he did so. I have even seen a *relatively* attractive photo of him (early in the war, successfully invading Yugoslavia), so clearly I have spent more time than is sensible on this sort of thing. I hesitate to say anything more positive about Eichmann. He can't have been honest during his interrogation. But perhaps 20 years later those enthusiasms had faded and seemed like a distant dream?Sigismund,
You wrote,[...He (Eichmann) can't have been honest during his interogation...].
When the war-criminal trials began, the US and Russia and others agreed before hand that the defense of the deputies of Hitler would not be allowed to use as a defense that they were just following Hitler's orders. This has become known as the Nuremberg defense. I think that this is why Rudolf Hess received life and the others were executed, for Hess resigned rather than do the wishes of Hitler.
Eichmann involked the defense that the allies said at the start of the trials that they would not accept. He involked this to an Isreali court, for he ecaped justice in 1945 and went to Argentina and eluded capture until around 1961.
He did not deny the major charges against him, but said that he did what Hitler wanted him to do.
In reading Justice Jackson's cross-examination of the National Socialists (Nazis) on trial at Nuremburg, many of them told the truth without trying to hide anything. They said that they were doing what would be best for Germany as a whole and was to please Hitler. Eichman said the same.
Since the past in 1945, the world courts have condemned any policy that says anything that could lead a Jew to feel accused or put down as per being state-sponsored, even if the ones promulgating such are following orders. I for one will use all my might to keep the feelings of those that want to present any doctrine that says that their religion, or anyone else's religion, is superior to the Jew's religion. For that was accepted in the past, and I will try to keep that past from being brought into the present.
Lou
Posted by Sigismund on August 9, 2007, at 15:33:41
In reply to Lou's reply to Sigismund-pastintoprsnt » Sigismund, posted by Lou Pilder on August 8, 2007, at 20:37:35
My understanding is that any member of the regime (certainly most of the SS) was meant to be 'working their way towards the Fuehrer', which meant not waiting for orders, but having been made aware of the broad outline of his thinking, they were to improvise, providing the Fuehrer and his followers with new situations that would serve as pretexts for increasing radicalisation (eg creating the conditions for the outbreak of epidemics) and this destructive/vengeful way of thinking seemed to permeate the times. Eichmann's famous quote 'I shall leap into my grave laughing....' is more suggestive of this thinking than his claim to his interrogator that he would be prepared to offer up his life if it would lead to racial harmony (is this what 20 years in Brazil does for you?).
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 12, 2007, at 14:54:41
In reply to Re: Lou's reply to Sigismund-pastintoprsnt, posted by Sigismund on August 9, 2007, at 15:33:41
> My understanding is that any member of the regime (certainly most of the SS) was meant to be 'working their way towards the Fuehrer', which meant not waiting for orders, but having been made aware of the broad outline of his thinking, they were to improvise, providing the Fuehrer and his followers with new situations that would serve as pretexts for increasing radicalisation (eg creating the conditions for the outbreak of epidemics) and this destructive/vengeful way of thinking seemed to permeate the times. Eichmann's famous quote 'I shall leap into my grave laughing....' is more suggestive of this thinking than his claim to his interrogator that he would be prepared to offer up his life if it would lead to racial harmony (is this what 20 years in Brazil does for you?).
Sigismund,
You wrote,[...working their way towards the Fuehrer...outline of his thinking..serve as pretexts... way of thinking...(day shift)...]
If you would like, looking up the follwing members of the National Socialists (Nazis) may reveal that Hitler may have been working toward them.
A.Carl Schneider
B. Paul Nitsche
C.Hans Heinze
D.Leonardo Conti
E.werner Heyde
F.Ernst Rudin
G.Max de Crinis
H.Henry Ford
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 12, 2007, at 20:25:15
In reply to Lou's reply to Sigismund-sbtraninhomskblus » Sigismund, posted by Lou Pilder on August 12, 2007, at 14:54:41
> > My understanding is that any member of the regime (certainly most of the SS) was meant to be 'working their way towards the Fuehrer', which meant not waiting for orders, but having been made aware of the broad outline of his thinking, they were to improvise, providing the Fuehrer and his followers with new situations that would serve as pretexts for increasing radicalisation (eg creating the conditions for the outbreak of epidemics) and this destructive/vengeful way of thinking seemed to permeate the times. Eichmann's famous quote 'I shall leap into my grave laughing....' is more suggestive of this thinking than his claim to his interrogator that he would be prepared to offer up his life if it would lead to racial harmony (is this what 20 years in Brazil does for you?).
>
> Sigismund,
> You wrote,[...working their way towards the Fuehrer...outline of his thinking..serve as pretexts... way of thinking...(day shift)...]
> If you would like, looking up the follwing members of the National Socialists (Nazis) may reveal that Hitler may have been working toward them.
> A.Carl Schneider
> B. Paul Nitsche
> C.Hans Heinze
> D.Leonardo Conti
> E.werner Heyde
> F.Ernst Rudin
> G.Max de Crinis
> H.Henry Ford
>
Friends,
In the list above, Henry Ford was not a member of the National Socialists. However, looking him up could reveal that he was one that der Feuhrer might have been working towards. If Henry Ford was a German living in Germany in 1933, ask could you ask yourself if he would have joined the National Socialists party?
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 14, 2007, at 9:35:43
In reply to Re: Lou's reply to Sigismund-pastintoprsnt, posted by Sigismund on August 9, 2007, at 15:33:41
> My understanding is that any member of the regime (certainly most of the SS) was meant to be 'working their way towards the Fuehrer', which meant not waiting for orders, but having been made aware of the broad outline of his thinking, they were to improvise, providing the Fuehrer and his followers with new situations that would serve as pretexts for increasing radicalisation (eg creating the conditions for the outbreak of epidemics) and this destructive/vengeful way of thinking seemed to permeate the times. Eichmann's famous quote 'I shall leap into my grave laughing....' is more suggestive of this thinking than his claim to his interrogator that he would be prepared to offer up his life if it would lead to racial harmony (is this what 20 years in Brazil does for you?).
Sigismund,
In regards to the concept of [...doing what will be {good} for the country >as a whole<...] it could further our discussion here by researching that concept as practiced by Dr. Josef Mengela and psychiatrist Ernst Rudin.
Here is a link to a photo of Josef Mengele
http://www.memgele.dk/images/mengelenr2.jpg
here is a link to a photo of Ernst Rudin
http://home.earthlink.net/~bazillion/rudin.jpg
Lou
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