Posted by Lou Pilder on August 4, 2007, at 9:19:18 [reposted on August 6, 2007, at 22:49:32 | original URL]
In reply to Don't keep us in suspense, Lou-edu » greywolf, posted by Lou Pilder on July 30, 2007, at 21:53:34
> > My respectful suggestion, Lou, is that you simply lay out your treatise encompassing the twelve topics you detail above. Don't keep everyone in suspense, edify us.
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> > Greywolf
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> Greywolf,
> The saying,[...good for the community as a whole...] has been the banner for centuries to many leaders. What I am going to post here might be something that could be unbeknownst to many concerning the history of the motto,[...good for the community as a whole...].
> I base this on that I may be one of a few people with background that has had me be trained as to know what the origin and history is concerning that motto.
> I was trained and actually promoted the concept to others as it was practiced 800 years ago, in England. Nottingham, England.
> That was not the first place that the concept was practiced, but that is where it was popularized in a particular form that spread throughout England and then to Canada and the US.
> What I could write here in the form of education to the community, and for members to have a better understanding of this concept, could also possibly explain how fascism and National Socialism and other dictatorships were accepted by the country that was under a totalitarian leader. Does it be a wonder how those countries were able to be established under totalitarianism? I can explain that and I hope that people here could have a better understanding of this concept after they read what I would like to post here.
> You see, many of those people in those countries under totalitarian rule innitially accepted that. Was not Hitler elected? What did he do to have that many people want him to be elected and to become der Feueher?
> The concept of [...good for the community as a whole...] comes into play here. It was not new to Hitler of Moussolini or Stalin, for the concept is ancient. The concept is in many forms, for Jesus of Nazareth had a different concept to [...good for the community as a whole...]than Hitler or Mussolini or Stalin and other totalitarian dictators. And so did Dr. Martin Luther King jr and many others. But what is the difference that makes them different? I could show that.
> Lou
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Greywolf,
The concept of,[...good for the community as a whole...]has its roots going back to the Great Pyramids with those that worked with stone.
So for 1000s of years, men have had the time to form a body of knowlege concerning how to build a community. The tactics used of the centuries have been written about and were developed from feudalism. The concept is with us today in two branches with sub branches from those.
One branch is where the community is to please the leader and do his wishes and says that the community is to trust him. From that branch we have fascism , National Socialism (NAZI) and others. The trust originally in the Roman era was God-trust, where the leader was a god to them. After all, I guess if a leader can portray himself as a god,well...
As time went on, the aspects of building a community became even more well-known. There were communities where the members were not having to trust the leader. Democracy has roots from that concept.
The first aspect was to create close bonds between members to give a sense of brotherhood and loyalty which could give the members a sense of empowerment. There could be an ideal belief established and create an "ideal man". This has been stoked in historical communities in many ways, one of which is by fostering animosity toward another group and claiming that your group is the {master} group.
The community is reinforced by haveing bonding retreats, or meetings where there are projects and working together. The members feel of being part of something.
Then there could be created a group that are "outsiders" being stigmatized and defamed by false accusations that they are harming the group, ie[..not good for the community as a whole...]. These people were portrayed as a threat to the harmony of the community as in fascism and National Socialism and other communities that used others a scapegoats.
In their loyalty to the leader, the leader also fostered a sense that the mmbers were doing a {greater good} to gang up on the group being portrayed by the leader as a threat to the group and that those people are harming the civic welfare of the community. This {greater good} could cause others to think that even mass-murder is justified for the good of the community as a whole. You see, it is the phrase {as a whole} that I will bring into this discussion more and show you the historical psychological persuasion tactics involved in that part of,[...{good for} the community {as a whole}...].
The community can be built with others that the leader had deputies to do his wishes. The National Socialists had many deputies to do the leader's wishes and since they were under the aspect of {trusting} the leader, they did his wishes even if they knew that they were wrong.
Some of the National Socialist's deputies tried to resign. One, flew to England and bailed out to try to meet with Churchill to make peace.(Hess). Another, Adolf Eichmann, escaped justice in 1945.
I would like for those interested in this discussion as per Dr. Hsiung posting in this thread that he would like to hear what members think, to do a search on Adolf Eichmann. Here is a link to a picture of Adolf Eichmann
Lou
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7d/OldEichmann.jpg
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