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Posted by Angel Girl on May 8, 2002, at 15:08:37
Are we allowed to swear on these boards??? I feel I'm being stifled. I don't want to get in trouble for swearing but sometimes I'm so angry I feel the necessity to swear.
Thanks,
Fallen Angel
Posted by Krazy Kat on May 8, 2002, at 15:27:54
In reply to SWEARING , posted by Angel Girl on May 8, 2002, at 15:08:37
'tis a good question. to be honest, i still don't know the answer. certain swears seem to be o.k., and using ***'s seem to be o.k. if you're not directing them at anyone in particular.
i look forward to the answer on this one.
- kk
Posted by Zo on May 8, 2002, at 16:43:58
In reply to SWEARING , posted by Angel Girl on May 8, 2002, at 15:08:37
I would err on the side of caution! Waaay caution!Zo
Posted by Dr. Bob on May 8, 2002, at 22:23:49
In reply to SWEARING , posted by Angel Girl on May 8, 2002, at 15:08:37
> Are we allowed to swear on these boards??? I feel I'm being stifled. I don't want to get in trouble for swearing but sometimes I'm so angry I feel the necessity to swear.
Maybe try to express your anger in other ways? Or swear somewhere else? I understand you feel stifled, but it may make other people feel more welcome.
In practice, some four-letter words I've let go, and others I haven't. If you wanted, you could do a search and see...
Bob
Posted by Krazy Kat on May 8, 2002, at 22:29:33
In reply to Re: SWEARING , posted by Dr. Bob on May 8, 2002, at 22:23:49
it depends. ;) frustrating isn't it...
Posted by Phil on May 9, 2002, at 6:44:33
In reply to Re: SWEARING - as usual...., posted by Krazy Kat on May 8, 2002, at 22:29:33
Nothing in life is black and white. :-)
Posted by wendy b. on May 9, 2002, at 8:44:38
In reply to Re: SWEARING - as usual.... » Krazy Kat, posted by Phil on May 9, 2002, at 6:44:33
> Nothing in life is black and white. :-)
Yeah, IT DEPENDS on who's the ultimate arbiter of such things (dear Bob)
who's saying it to whom
who's doing the reading
if the swearing is directed at a particular person (as in - "Phil, you f***ing moron!"), etc.
Other thoughts:
is "frickin' " ok?
how 'bout "bleedin' " - it's a VERY strong cuss word in Britain...
what if I call myself a "shithead" for misunderstanding something? i.e., just swearing at myself?
how 'bout this: no more than one "fuck" word per message??? Can we all live with that? I know I can...
Let's come up with some alternate ways to swear, think hard guys... Replies welcome.
the Wendy
ps: BTW, Bob - when you do individual counseling, and you have a client who's really angry, and says a lot of F words in a session, what do you say to them? Just curious... I understand the differences between individual therapy and an on-line support situation...
Posted by Krazy Kat on May 9, 2002, at 10:15:22
In reply to Re: SWEARING - as usual.... » Krazy Kat, posted by Phil on May 9, 2002, at 6:44:33
my cats are... ;) they look like dairy cows. mew!!
Posted by Krazy Kat on May 9, 2002, at 10:46:58
In reply to Re: SWEARING - as usual.... IT DEPENDS..., posted by wendy b. on May 9, 2002, at 8:44:38
wendy- your post was SO funny, I SWEAR I'm going to read it a hundred times.what about swear phrases in a "foreign" language, i.e Spanish:
"Isinusumpa kita! - (I curse you!) - nearest translation is go to hell!"
or
"bilat inana - just a generic swear word, no insult toward no one"
seems like that would be o.k.
We "SWEAR allegiance to the flag", yet Christ told us NOT to SWEAR, "Swear not at all". (Matt. 5:34).
Fascinating!
Posted by Lou Pilder on May 9, 2002, at 11:16:25
In reply to swearing from a lingual and historical view..., posted by Krazy Kat on May 9, 2002, at 10:46:58
KK,
You bring up a good point. As much as me and Dr. Bob disagree, we are in agreement on this issue. "Sware not at all". As a coincedence, I just posted ,before I read your post, another post on the 7 Gates to the Road to the Crown of Life that also speaks to this . Would you look at today's social board and see what I mean?
Thanks,
Lou
Posted by Krazy Kat on May 9, 2002, at 12:06:54
In reply to Re: swearing from a lingual and historical view... » Krazy Kat, posted by Lou Pilder on May 9, 2002, at 11:16:25
Lou, darlin':
you just keep right on posting about the gates until (and if) Dr. B sees fit to stop it.
I, however, am weary of all gate-related discussions. Anyway, gates either keep folks in, or keep them out. And hasn't that been a recent sore subject here lately?
Best to you and your white horse (would it make a difference if he were an Appaloosa?)
- kk
Posted by Lou Pilder on May 9, 2002, at 12:44:00
In reply to the exclusivity of gates... » Lou Pilder, posted by Krazy Kat on May 9, 2002, at 12:06:54
KK;
I was also leary about the subject that I am bringing to this board.But I was a slave, shakeled with the manacles of depression. But when I walked the Road and opened the Gates, I found a whole new life. I was freed from my shakels of depression and found love, joy and peace. The Gates that opened, are the Gates that anyone can open. We all have the keys. They are the Gates to freedom.
When M.L. King spoke, I believe that he also had walked the Road to the Crown of Life. For in his speech he ,to me, was talking about the same Road, the Road that frees you, for he said,
"When we let freedom ring, we will be able to speed up the day when all of God's children, black men and white men,Jews and Gentils, Protostants and Catholics, will be able to join hands and sing the old spiritual," "Free at last,free at last. Thank God Almighty, we are free at last."
Lou
Posted by Phil on May 9, 2002, at 12:51:59
In reply to Re: SWEARING - as usual.... IT DEPENDS..., posted by wendy b. on May 9, 2002, at 8:44:38
if the swearing is directed at a particular person (as in - "Phil, you f***ing moron!"), etc
________________________KK, I guess that's one part you found funny?
Wendy, Don't ever post anything like that to me again. It wasn't necessary. That's my nice response. Please, nobody on this board deserves that kind of hatefullness. KK, Do you really think that's funny? How about posting that to sar 2 days before she died? Would you be laughing in three days. We all have weaknesses and you can't always judge by their posts what their real state of mind is.
Your post was childish, narrow minded, and ignorant.Phil
Posted by Krazy Kat on May 9, 2002, at 14:50:33
In reply to Re: SWEARING - as usual..Wendy-Krazy Kat, posted by Phil on May 9, 2002, at 12:51:59
phil:
i seriously took wendy's post as sarcastic, and apologize profusely if that was not the case. but i know her well, and am certain there wasn't anything meant by it.
i really didn't mean to hurt your feelings.
i found the general idea about swearing funny anyway, phil, not anything directed (sarcastically or not) at you.
you really misunderstood my post. haven't i been a pretty "civil" player?
are you o.k.?
- kk
Posted by Krazy Kat on May 9, 2002, at 14:52:19
In reply to Re: SWEARING - as usual..Wendy-Krazy Kat, posted by Phil on May 9, 2002, at 12:51:59
i was really hurt by her death and would appreciate keeping her out of anything that might be controversial. if you were using that phrase to try to "get back" at me or such, it worked.
thanks.
- kk
Posted by Krazy Kat on May 9, 2002, at 14:55:43
In reply to Re: SWEARING - as usual..Wendy-Krazy Kat, posted by Phil on May 9, 2002, at 12:51:59
1. my original response was:
"'tis a good question. to be honest, i still don't know the answer. certain swears seem to be o.k., and using ***'s seem to be o.k. if you're not directing them at anyone in particular."I don't believe in ever directing a swear at someone in particular.
2. reread Wendy's post - the whole thing has a decidely humorous ring to it.
again, very sorry to have hurt your feelings. certainly not my intention.
maybe you do need to take some time off, phil. but if you're in a "bad state", as i took from your post, please be straightforward with us, or others you are more comfortable with here, so we can help.
-kk
Posted by Krazy Kat on May 9, 2002, at 15:00:29
In reply to Re: SWEARING - as usual..Wendy-Krazy Kat, posted by Phil on May 9, 2002, at 12:51:59
to be honest my mind is still staggering from your reply.
do you think i should just refrain from trying to joke with you as well? i feel at times as if we connect, but then i seem to make you angry.
such as, i responded to your comment re: things being black and white in this post:
"my cats are... ;) they look like dairy cows. mew!!"
I thought that was funny and remembered that you had meowed at times in your posts. was that offensive in any way?
I'm confused about your responses and apologize for causing you any pain/anger.
- kk
Posted by Phil on May 9, 2002, at 15:29:13
In reply to sorry, phil, just one more thing..., posted by Krazy Kat on May 9, 2002, at 15:00:29
Hey, I read it the way I read it. I don't know Wendy and I don't like my name used in that example. I can't believe anyone would.
Do I take it too personally, probably. But you can't assume when someone uses your name like that that their kidding. If I knew who she was it would be different but I really don't know that much about her.
Don't sweat it, KK. And yes, I'm doing fine. Sometimes I'm funny and sometimes, if I think someone is pushing my buttons, I push back. It doesn't mean I've lost my mind.No harm done
Posted by Krazy Kat on May 9, 2002, at 15:48:52
In reply to Re: sorry, phil, just one more thing..., posted by Phil on May 9, 2002, at 15:29:13
were all good. but i think i better refrain from posting to you for awhile. i do not understand your boundaries and your anger scares me sometimes.
i hope you can work on it a little(i don't mean that in a demeaning way at all), but it seems to be coming through more and more here. i'm not sure that this is the right forum to vent it.
take care.
- kk
Posted by Ron Hill on May 9, 2002, at 17:50:56
In reply to phil, i'm glad you understand my intentions..., posted by Krazy Kat on May 9, 2002, at 15:48:52
> were all good. but i think i better refrain from posting to you for awhile. i do not understand your boundaries and your anger scares me sometimes. i hope you can work on it a little(i don't mean that in a demeaning way at all), but it seems to be coming through more and more here. i'm not sure that this is the right forum to vent it.
---------------KK,
With all due respect, I did not consider Phil's posts in this thread to be "venting". Instead, Phil was responding directly to the issue of Wendy using his name in a derogatory manner.
When I initially read Wendy's post, I assumed that she and Phil are very close friends and that Wendy was just giving her friend a hard time. However, based on Phil's response, it is clear that he did not receive it in that vein.
Best Wishes,
-- Ron
Posted by lou pilder on May 9, 2002, at 18:57:48
In reply to Re: phil, i'm glad you understand my intentions... » Krazy Kat, posted by Ron Hill on May 9, 2002, at 17:50:56
Ron Hill;
I agree with your observation. But Phil has forgiven KK , for he says, "no harm done". but your observation was needed in order to give closure to this mattter.
Best,
Lou
Posted by Phil on May 9, 2002, at 19:38:15
In reply to Re: phil, i'm glad you understand my intentions... » Ron Hill, posted by lou pilder on May 9, 2002, at 18:57:48
You know, I never intentionally hurt people on this board. I've gotten angry lately but, in a way, I'm proud that I can speak on my behalf.
I don't hold a grudge; Jay and I had some heated disagreements on this board at the same time we were talking on PB. I think we just knew that it was cool.
I've never, that I remember, had exchanges with people like I have lately. But I've never seen posts like I've seen lately.
It's better to not respond but it's hard not to respond when it feels personal.
If KK and Wendy were here right now, I'm sure we could have fun as we learned where the other is coming from.
Maybe I'm missing something but I don't think so. It's important to put behind us but if people think that kind of post won't upset another, they need to try to understand.
If you read KK's post then mine, then hers, how could I not be angry and then I am basically told I have an anger problem.
Krazy Kat, I know you care for me and I care for you. I don't want to hurt you or anyone else.I really don't want to argue my point. To me, it was mean-spirited. That's how I felt and I won't apologize for it.
But it's in the history book. Again, no harm done; it's over.
Posted by Krazy Kat on May 9, 2002, at 19:56:50
In reply to Re: phil, i'm glad you understand my intentions... » Krazy Kat, posted by Ron Hill on May 9, 2002, at 17:50:56
a series of posts from the last month or so.
phil's comment that my post was "childish", or such, was extremely hurtful, as was his comment re: sar. how can one not take those personally as well? why didn't he ask me if my intention was what he thought it was instead of jumping to conclusions? why am i saying i'm sorry, and phil's not?
why am i supposed to take phil's anger, directed AT ME, when that's supposed to be a "no, no"?
I don't know what else to do...
- kk
Posted by Krazy Kat on May 9, 2002, at 20:05:59
In reply to Re: phil, i'm glad you understand my intentions..., posted by Phil on May 9, 2002, at 19:38:15
i think i'm as clear as possible, as open as possible, and as thoughtful as possible, and i get hit in the gut.
you've made me cry twice tonight, phil. thanks. please stay away from my posts in the future.
Posted by Krazy Kat on May 9, 2002, at 20:42:12
In reply to Re: phil, i'm glad you understand my intentions... » Ron Hill, posted by lou pilder on May 9, 2002, at 18:57:48
i didn't do anything wrong.
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