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Posted by muffled on April 14, 2009, at 9:47:22
In reply to Just curious, what happened here?, posted by Deneb on April 14, 2009, at 8:38:32
Near as I can figger Bob is going bonkers trying to get Verne and Jadekelly to apoplogize for some reason.
I think they felt they have?
And other than that, just noise I think.
'Cept Jade announced she's leaving,and why, so I don't s'pect Bob will be getting any more from her.
I think Bob is mebbe trying something new, but as usu hasn't told anyone...though its pretty obvo.
If it were me, I'd just frikken apoplogize to put Bob out of his obsessive misery, cuz who cares about whether you feel true about it really?
Apologize, do my piece for peace, whether I beleive in what I am saying or not.
Do no harm.
Mebbe do good, for the greater good?
My sib used to make me beg for stuff. I used to stubbornly refuse. Then I learned I could just put on a 'show', beg in the real world, but in my HEAD, I was NOT. Then LOL, I got what I wanted, with very little pain. I learned not to care. I learned that life is not fair. And just to roll with the punches, cuz punches allus come.
Fight important battles, but let the rest go.
That way I survive.
Right , wrong?
I don't care.
I just look for peace at the lowest cost. Apologizing seems a cheap deal. Words, who f'ing cares?
I don't give a rats *ss bout Bob, but I do care bout babblers and if my apologizing might cause Bob to do less blocking, then I would do it. For babblers. Not for me, not for Bob. LOL, but for 'The Herd'.
I dunno.
I not so smart.
You seem pretty strong Deneb. Thats good. You need to be to be here.
take care of yourself.
M
Posted by garnet71 on April 14, 2009, at 10:32:40
In reply to Re: *Trigger* Jade's Final Post, posted by JadeKelly on April 13, 2009, at 21:38:33
((((((Jade)))))))
That was a very heartfelt post-and you are very courageous for telling your story. I didn't know you have gone thru so much in such a short time, but I always knew you were a very strong person. I also think its great you have such a wonderful family (and don't take it for granted). I was also sorry to hear your pain from actions taken on this forum, and wish you the best of luck with your new websites.
- Garnet
Posted by garnet71 on April 14, 2009, at 10:43:17
In reply to Re: behind the times.?, posted by desolationrower on April 14, 2009, at 2:24:11
Hi d/r - and i see how YOUR Dr. Bob argument was sooo much more persuasive than mine. You know, there's been a lot out since toeffler--Wikinomics, for example. So, maybe YOU are behind the times too! Newt Gingrich? Why do people bring Newt Gingrich into unrelated topics? And not everyone meets Newt Ginrich in gradeshool. Hmm. Not only are you an antibrotelligentist, but now I see you are also a Newt-Gingrich-conversation-injector.
You just wait...I was at a specialty store the other day and saw they had UNCUT spaghetti - it was 2 1/2 FEET LONG!! I'd be more careful if I were you. ha.
Posted by Deneb on April 14, 2009, at 11:41:00
In reply to Shaming the Poster » JadeKelly, posted by verne on April 6, 2009, at 20:19:08
Hey Verne,
Sorry you feel that way about Dr. Bob. I think maybe you hurt Dr. Bob's feelings. I think Dr. Bob tries the best he can, he's not perfect. (Scary thought though LOL)
How would you feel if Dr. Bob wrote the same things about you?
I think it was very considerate of Dr. Bob to apologize.
I think it would be great if you could forgive Dr. Bob and try to rephrase your post to Dr. Bob.
Being blocked sucks. Are you sure you want to be blocked Verne? We like you here. :-)
It seems like Dr. Bob likes you here as well or else he wouldn't go to so much trouble to get us to help you not be blocked.
Posted by verne on April 14, 2009, at 12:43:44
In reply to Re: Shaming the Poster » verne, posted by Deneb on April 14, 2009, at 11:41:00
I don't remember posting last night. I hope I wasn't too mean. Two day bender's do that to me.
I'm sorry for all the trouble I caused. Any time I post on the administration board, I'm up to no good.
Please ignore my drunken posts. I'm usually trying to insert drama where there isn't any.
This is my last post until I've been sober a year. I recently had 6 months of sobriety (2 years is my modern record) Frankly, I'm too ashamed of myself to post anyway.
the worm
Posted by fayeroe on April 14, 2009, at 12:47:43
In reply to Shame and Self Loathing, posted by verne on April 14, 2009, at 12:43:44
> I don't remember posting last night. I hope I wasn't too mean. Two day bender's do that to me.
Verne............
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> I'm sorry for all the trouble I caused. Any time I post on the administration board, I'm up to no good.
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> This is my last post until I've been sober a year. I recently had 6 months of sobriety (2 years is my modern record) Frankly, I'm too ashamed of myself to post anyway.I wish you luck and send you love for your work in the next 12 months. (12 months sounds shorter than one year, doesn't it?) I'll look forward to your "sober and sane" return. :-) Pat
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Posted by Dr. Bob on April 14, 2009, at 15:14:29
In reply to Shame and Self Loathing, posted by verne on April 14, 2009, at 12:43:44
> I'm sorry for all the trouble I caused.
Thanks, I really do appreciate that.
Now that you mention it, I guess another possible reason for not apologizing (and getting blocked) could be self-loathing.
> This is my last post until I've been sober a year. I recently had 6 months of sobriety (2 years is my modern record) Frankly, I'm too ashamed of myself to post anyway.
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> the wormAbstain from drinking, not from posting! Maybe post about trying to stay sober? That would be getting back to the real goal of this community.
Worms don't admit their wrongs and made amends, thanks again,
Bob
Posted by Deneb on April 14, 2009, at 23:39:58
In reply to Shame and Self Loathing, posted by verne on April 14, 2009, at 12:43:44
Hey Verne,
Don't be so hard on yourself, I hope you're ok. Hugs if you want them.
You are awesome.
Deneb
Posted by Cass on April 14, 2009, at 23:44:39
In reply to Shame and Self Loathing, posted by verne on April 14, 2009, at 12:43:44
verne, I hope you keep posting, too. We've all got our struggles. I admire that you've stayed sober 6 months. You're doing well.
Posted by Bobby on April 14, 2009, at 23:53:30
In reply to Shame and Self Loathing, posted by verne on April 14, 2009, at 12:43:44
I enjoy your posts Verne-----you're not afraid to speak your mind and mixed in with the mean words are things I sometimes think to myself. The only problem is that --say a man hits his wife----but always apologizes later--genuinely---that still doesn't take away her black eye. And things like that have a tendency to escalate. I've seen it happen enough to know the pattern. I believe Bob's on to something. I don't think folks want to see you stop posting--just seize the chance to redeem yourself and I'm cheering for you. Good luck in your quest for sobriety--or at the very least moderation----though I think that may be unrealistic for some. Keep posting---everybody loves an underdog.
Posted by 10derHeart on April 15, 2009, at 18:42:43
In reply to Re: *Trigger* Jade's Final Post, posted by JadeKelly on April 13, 2009, at 21:38:33
>I sent some form of this to Administration addressing all members. Not one ever mentioned it to me privately or publicly.
Jade,
I can't speak for Racer or Dinah, but I'll speak for me. I would never mention anything a poster chose to tell me privately, in public. As for privately, I'm sorry if my not responding to your Babblemail gave a negative impression. It wasn't my intention. Perhaps I should have, to say I was sorry you had to go through such pain in life. I think sometimes I think people just know I'm sorry, but that doesn't mean I shouldn't go ahead and actually say it. That maybe was a poor choice. I know I really want people to respond to me when I reveal personal things. I will say, in explanation, that there are several reasons I often won't respond to posters' emails. Some of these are: I forget, I can't find the time and then I end up being embarrassed so *much* time has passed, I don't understand the message, or, I flat out don't know what to say. Also, being a deputy, my actions and words seem to carry a different sort of weight, so sometimes - wrong or right - I choose not to respond at all, feeling it will actually be more helpful that way.
>They don't talk to me.
Again, just replying for me, I don't really talk to anyone off the boards. It certainly hasn't got a thing to do with *you.* Except to answer a Notification, or other question put to me in my deputy role. Or perhaps to briefly respond if someone Babblemails me in my non-deputy role, which is fairly rare. It's partly a case of time-management of IRL stuff (I spend way, way too much time online avoiding the anxiety of RL responsibilities) and also something I've found necessary to function as a deputy and even as a regular poster, in some cases. Keeping everything as transparent as possible seems best.>10der has made it quite clear that she doesn't like me(I'll be generous).
I am bewildered. It isn't true that I don't like you. I don't know you.
Posted by raisinb on April 16, 2009, at 14:12:54
In reply to Re: why we are here » Dr. Bob, posted by myco on April 12, 2009, at 15:20:51
If one disagrees with a law, one doesn't necessarily go out of one's way to help one's friends follow the law.
If I'd lived during J*m Cr*w and opposed it, I wouldn't have expended energy on herding my African American friends to the back of the bus.
I happen to trust the deputies and support their decisions. But I felt that your post contained some odd logic.
Posted by raisinb on April 16, 2009, at 14:13:42
In reply to Re: why we are here » myco, posted by raisinb on April 16, 2009, at 14:12:54
Posted by garnet71 on April 16, 2009, at 19:14:18
In reply to sorry myco above for Dr. Bob (nm) » raisinb, posted by raisinb on April 16, 2009, at 14:13:42
Has anyone thought about the first thing you see when you visit the homepage of this site?
"Now, how are we to recognize Nature's most excellent web sites? ... whatever does not kill them makes them stronger. --Friedrich Nietzsche, Ecce Homo (adapted), 1889"
...just wondering. lol
Posted by Phillipa on April 16, 2009, at 20:02:47
In reply to this website, posted by garnet71 on April 16, 2009, at 19:14:18
Well doesn't the meds board have some outdated info. New meds to add? Phillipa
Posted by Dr. Bob on April 16, 2009, at 21:01:25
In reply to Re: why we are here » myco, posted by raisinb on April 16, 2009, at 14:12:54
> If one disagrees with a law, one doesn't necessarily go out of one's way to help one's friends follow the law.
Maybe not, but would one want one's friends to go to jail?
Bob
Posted by fayeroe on April 16, 2009, at 21:24:27
In reply to Re: why we are here, posted by Dr. Bob on April 16, 2009, at 21:01:25
> > If one disagrees with a law, one doesn't necessarily go out of one's way to help one's friends follow the law.
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> Maybe not, but would one want one's friends to go to jail?
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> BobBob, have you ever heard of beating a dead horse?
Posted by Sigismund on April 17, 2009, at 0:23:26
In reply to Re: why we are here, posted by Dr. Bob on April 16, 2009, at 21:01:25
>Maybe not, but would one want one's friends to go to jail?
Some countries try alternatives.
Shoot them on the beaches. Probation.
Posted by raisinb on April 17, 2009, at 9:37:13
In reply to Re: why we are here, posted by Dr. Bob on April 16, 2009, at 21:01:25
Yes...I love torturing my friends (sarcasm :)).
Obviously nobody wants that. But just as obviously, that isn't the point. You don't "herd" people you care about into following a law you don't agree with. You support them while they protest with you, and you do whatever you can to get them out of jail if that occurs.
To me, it sounds like a lot of posters are looking for policy change. So, I guess I don't know that you'll get that far trying to get them to aid you in enforcing the policies under the guise of "supporting others."
I haven't personally had major trouble with current Babble policies. But it looks like a lot of people do. I think it's gonna be hard for you to recruit them into recruiting others to follow policies that they fundamentally disagree with. I posted because I found that "move" kinda fishy, honestly.
Posted by muffled on April 17, 2009, at 10:14:49
In reply to Re: why we are here » Dr. Bob, posted by raisinb on April 17, 2009, at 9:37:13
Posted by fayeroe on April 17, 2009, at 10:20:14
In reply to Re: why we are here..horse beating here..... » Dr. Bob, posted by fayeroe on April 16, 2009, at 21:24:27
Bob, you have the attention span of a gnat when it comes to the administrative side of Babble. I've seen you post one line here and not return for 45-60 days.
I think that this is an experiment. Otherwise, you'd drop this.
I can see you now....sitting in front of your computer, rubbing your hands together..chortling in the dark.
I don't know why we try.
Posted by Dr. Bob on April 18, 2009, at 10:33:34
In reply to Re: SUGGESTIONS-ANOTHER FALSE ALARM » Dr. Bob, posted by JadeKelly on April 5, 2009, at 21:35:53
> I think I just threw up in my mouth. Dude, you got issues.
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> Are you insane? No really. You are creeping me out.Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down.
But please don't take this personally, either, this doesn't mean I don't like you or think you're a bad person, and I'm sorry if this hurts.
More information about posting policies and tips on alternative ways to express oneself is in the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#enforceFollow-ups regarding these issues, as well as replies to the above post, should of course themselves be civil.
Thanks,
Bob
PS: According to the formula:
duration of previous block: 2 weeks
period of time since previous block: 2 weeks
severity: 2 (default)
block length = 3.83 rounded = 4 weeks
Posted by Dr. Bob on April 18, 2009, at 10:33:45
In reply to Bob's attention span » fayeroe, posted by fayeroe on April 17, 2009, at 10:20:14
> Some countries try alternatives.
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> Sigismund> > would one want one's friends to go to jail?
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> Obviously nobody wants that. But just as obviously, that isn't the point.
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> To me, it sounds like a lot of posters are looking for policy change.
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> raisinbThe point of this site is for posters to support each other. It seems to me a straightforward way of supporting each other would be to help each other avoid being blocked. But as we're seeing, there are other dynamics at work.
I'm disappointed that Jade wasn't able to avoid being blocked, but here's another opportunity:
> Bob, you have the attention span of a gnat
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> fayeroePolicy change can be important, but that and supporting fayeroe aren't mutually exclusive. And policy change isn't necessary for there to be fewer blocks. You can be the change you wish to see. Show other posters how they might interpret things more charitably. Encourage them to apologize. Suggest they not address those they can't get along with. Help them avoid being blocked.
Bob
Posted by fayeroe on April 18, 2009, at 10:53:59
In reply to Re: an opportunity, posted by Dr. Bob on April 18, 2009, at 10:33:45
~~ The point of this site is for posters to support each other. It seems to me a straightforward way of supporting each other would be to help each other avoid being blocked. But as we're seeing, there are other dynamics at work.
I'm disappointed that Jade wasn't able to avoid being blocked, but here's another opportunity:
> Bob, you have the attention span of a gnat
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> fayeroePolicy change can be important, but that and supporting fayeroe aren't mutually exclusive. And policy change isn't necessary for there to be fewer blocks. You can be the change you wish to see. Show other posters how they might interpret things more charitably. Encourage them to apologize. Suggest they not address those they can't get along with. Help them avoid being blocked.
Bob
Bob, I'm sorry that you don't understand the situation. Several posters here have tried to tell you how they feel about what you've tried to get us to do and it's obvious to me that we're missing the mark with you.
I'm sorry.
Fayeroe
Posted by muffled on April 18, 2009, at 10:59:01
In reply to Re: an opportunity » Dr. Bob, posted by fayeroe on April 18, 2009, at 10:53:59
< And policy change isn't necessary for there to be fewer blocks. You can be the change you wish to see.
*thats not what we been talking about here....
Boat sailed w/o ya Bob.......
M
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