Posted by jimbobwe64 on August 18, 2006, at 2:23:13
In reply to Re: 2 weeks on Remeron, trying to Withdraw, posted by tiredofpanic on August 17, 2006, at 22:44:54
Hey, np. What Jules said about the caffeine is definitely true. Caffeine and refined sugars have a tendency of making panic and depression a lot worse, and sometimes even make things worse when combined witn AD's. I've actually been off all caffeine for 10 years as it eventually made me have blackouts in addition to severe panic attacks.
I firmly believe that anyone with depression or panic attacks should immediately quit all caffeine permanently as it will eventually catch up with them.
As for the cleanses, that's a really good idea that can do nothing but help, I'm sure. I've actually done a few of those, now and am very positive it has made a difference. Also, eating a lot of vegetables and fruits do the same thing.
And as for me being off for 35 days, I'm not out of the woods yet, but, I'm keeping my nose to the grindstone.
I heard a very interesting piece of information from a friend of mine who happens to be a nurse. She told me that coming off of any anti-depressant takes approximately 2 months or more (not just Remeron)
But, in any case, just as a warning to you, Tired, and that is for the first few days after taking your final dosage of Remeron, you'll likely feel pretty good, but after that the withdrawal will kick in almost assuredly. I don't want to scare you but just get you prepared for what to expect.
Oh, and by the way, the Remeron also makes you have high cravings for Carbohydrates so that would explain your high consumption of sugar.
I think by the sounds of it, though, you're definitely on the right track.
Anyhow, like I said, I'll keep my fingers crossed for you. And please let us know how things are going in the next couple days.
Good Luck!!!
Jimbob
> Thank you both for your replies!
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> It's now been 72 hours since I have taken even a little piece, I decided that was it, I need to get over it sooner or later anyway and I think at that little dosage, probably 1mg or less it wasn't doing me any good for either the anxiety or the withdrawl, so I said that's it. The first couple of days were hard, last night and this morning are a little better, I still have some pressure in my head, but it seems, just seems anyway that the symptoms are going away. I was only on Remeron for two weeks, I can't imagine Jim how you got off this stuff at all! Kudos to you!
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> As for the panic, yes I think it is the same panic that was there before I started the meds. But maybe enhaced a bit by the withdrawl.
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> I am not sure if I mentioned it or not, but I am now seeing a pychologist for Cognitive Behavioral Thearapy at a local hospital. Today will be my second time there, and it may take six months or more, but I think it has to be better than taking the medication, because in the long run I have to be able to manage the stress and anxiety that I have in my daily life, not just surpress it with medication.
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> I hear both of you have cut refined sugar out of your diet completely, why? The only indication I can think of for why you feel better is because of candidia which is a yeast that grows in your intestines and feeds on this stuff. There is some evidence to support this. I have done several cleanses to rid myself of this nasty bacteria and honestly have felt a little better after the clense, felt like garbage on it let me tell you, all those nasty toxins running around in your blood stream make you feel like garbage, but afterwards if you can tolerate it you may feel better.
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> Right now I am eating more sugar and other things that I have in a long long time. I think the Remeron really effected my appetite and it is still there, gonna take awhile I guess.
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> Thansk again for your support!
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> > Hey, Tired.
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> > Just a suggestion. As it usually takes a while to get acclimatized to Remeron. (It actually took me a month when I first started it). Try staying on that dose for a couple of weeks or so and then go down further. I think you're likely very correct in that the Remeron is not a good drug for you, Unfortunately, now, though, you are on it and in order for you to get away from it, I think you have to play it as if it were doing any good for you. I don't know if that makes any sense to you, but, maybe you could try that. Other than that, I'm not sure what to say. It sounds like the symptoms you're having are definitely panic oriented, though. The headaches, as you're still on the medication, are a result of your normal panic that you had before. However, the shakes are a result of the actual medication, as most AD's will make you do this if you're going through withdrawal. I had exactly the same thing withdrawing from Remeron, Paxil and Effexor, but it was before I had made my dietary changes.
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> > As for me, I'm on my 35th day without Remeron and am still affected quite a bit. I've done everything, include cutting refined sugar right out of my diet for the time being, and still the symptoms are there. My symptoms are very similar to yours with the headaches, but a little depression is involved as well. However, it's still nowhere near what it was 10 1/2 years ago when I first started this whole schmozzle, so I think I'm still on the right track.
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> > In any case, keep pluggin along (I know it's extremely hard) and try to be as patient as possible. I think it will get better for you, eventually.
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> > Oh, and if I think of anything else, I'll most certainly let you know.
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> > Jimbob
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> > > I have a lot of pressure in my head, it feels like someone is squeezing me from from top to bottom. Light headaches. And moderate internal shaking. Some of that shakign can be seen on the outside as well. My heart feels like it will explode, moderate MVP. Blood pressure seems a bit low, resting pulse around 80-90bpm. Cannot sleep worth a darn. breathing is blocked a bit.
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> > > A lot of these symptoms are panic themselves, but I feel worse now than I did before I starting taking this medication...
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> when i was first withdrawing from the remeron i cut out all caffeine and most refined sugar, also cut back on refined foods in general (refined flour, processed & packaged foods etc.). it really helped with the anxiety. i didn't have headaches or pressure too bad but arnica and tylenol helped with the body aches and headaches, and drinking lots and lots of water. also regular exercise, yoga, walking, meditation...i think keeping the body moving as much as you can will really help with the symptoms. i hope all this helps and that you feel better soon...
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> take care,
> jules
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