Posted by jimbobwe64 on August 10, 2006, at 1:27:41
In reply to Re: 2 weeks on Remeron, trying to Withdraw, posted by tiredofpanic on August 9, 2006, at 22:57:15
Hello again, Tired: I think you've likely hit the nail right on the head with regards to panic and some sleep disorders being related to another. I definitely agree. Except one thing, I think the cause of the sleep disorder is the panic. Basically, one doesn't sleep because they have a million things racing around in their heads, to the point where it causes extreme discomfort.
Obviously, you don't have a severe form of panic, if it can be kept at a minimal level by distracting utilizing work or exercise, etc.
Have you ever considered any natural AD's like St John's Wort or 5-HTP? These you can find at any health or natural food store or health section in your grocery store. These come nowhere close to having the adverse effects of what a normal AD can produce. I took 5-HTP for quite a while and it worked great until it interfered with the AD that I was taking. When you get off the Remeron for good, maybe (just a suggestion) you could try something like that.
As for actually getting off the Remeron, tapering is definitely a good idea. Normally, I would say to wait until you levelled off, before going on to the next level of tapering, however, because you've never really levelled off, I'm not really sure what to say there, because this is actually the first time for me that I've been able to get to the point of being anti-depressant free like I am now (first time in 10 1/2 years)(and I'm still not out of the woods yet).
So, I'll field this question to any other reader out there. Has anyone else out there had the same experience as TIRED has, where they never got used to the Remeron in the first place?
> Jim,
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> The first day I took it I felt a soothing/smoothing sensation, however that was followed by a day later with very harsh side effects that forced me to reduce the dosage to 15mg. I took 15mg for 11 days with little noticable help. I have been having panic problems for almost two years. However, I have keep a diary for the last five months of my problem, there was a study done at Harvard and my sleep apnea test was put into this little program, I have some sleeping problems that may be the cause of the panic, but that is still left to be determined. I firmly beleive that anxiety and other panic disorders and sleep problems are all related to one another. Everyone with panic or anxiety needs a CBT psycholgist, medication may be needed, but I think a majority of the issues can be resolved with some relaxation techniques by a guided therapist, a learning of how to cope with the symptoms until they subside. I no longer worry so much about the symptoms that they increase in strength. I do still fear death sometimes, but the point is is that I have learned all of this is panic, I am not having a heart attack/stroke, other illnesses, etc. Sometimes it bothers me, but typcially only at night when I am ready to sleep. My day is very busy and the anxeity is there during the day, but I am able to ignore it 99% of the time and get my work done. I am either strong headed or have a serious panic problem that is only subdued by work. Strange. Anyway, I don't like medication and I have had enough, I am tired of the side effects and worry that comes along with taking these drugs, I feel they are all bad in one way or another, not just psych drugs, all drugs in general, if we eat healthy, do exercise and don't worry about things we cannot control, the world would be a very different place...
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