Posted by Nickengland on January 6, 2006, at 18:31:45
In reply to Too afraid to get help, posted by Deneb on January 4, 2006, at 8:23:02
How many fingers does a man have?
How many on 10 hands?
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Manipulation is not the best of words.
Delusional is not the best of words.
Paranoia is not the best of words.
If you called someone paronoid and delusional, its not the best of compliments.
If you called someone maipulative its not the best of compliments.
However if someone is paronoid and delusional (in psychiatric terms) they could quite possibly be viewed as Schizophrenic, or psychotic - take the tic away you have psycho - add babble and here we are ;-)
I think maipulation is everywhere, absolutely everywhere..turn on the T.V and you see an advert about some latest product, low and behold you have manipulation in the form of selling. Gene therapy. Putting a dam to block the flow of water - you're manipulating the flow of water. Take a psychiatric drug - you're manipulating your own body and brain chemistry. Loads of examples, but its late and i'll probably sound excentric if I continue.
Back to my main point though, like that of the delusional or manipulation. To the person suffering delusions it will seem very real indeed by the nature of it, in fact it is real to them.
Manipulation from the perspective of borderline (from what I understand) is that to them, they are not trying to 'manipulate' anyone, with regards to certain aspects of the word and illness. To the outside non-borderline - they often see the behaviour as manipulative.
I think its very hard to generalise over such things in an evironment such as this. However at the best we can gain a deeper understanding of the issue. Which should not be ignored, rather than help the person to deal with the issue in hand. In doing so people (Larry) got blocked but with the best intentions at heart. I truely think that psycho-babble socialas an online forum, like everything else in life has its limits.
Where speech is limited, and resources are text within a message, the limits that this has, means that for some people, outside resources in certain situations, suicide etc are clearly what need to be addressed as means for help, treatment and overall best outcome - outside this environment. It does say when you sign up, it might make you worse here, or something along those lines...
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You might not view my question as manipulative - but it was if you got it wrong the first time. And I intended it to be....I was being manipulative...Maybe you fell in the trap and said 100 hundred because of the manipulative nature of the question...maybe it was obvious for some lolMaybe the word Manipulation in BPD means onething for someone - but is double dutch to another.
Totally nothing to do with anything, but I always thought and was under the impression that their is a patient and someone who treats the patient, i.e a doctor, nurse etc.
A client and consumer - now we're talking business?...now we're talking £$€ - and of course in doing so theres going to be manipulation with a client in some respects to get a sale....sometimes its obvious, cleverly done though its not, its not really even manipulation, probably because both parties are profiting - look at this site, people get "support and education" Dr Bob gets links to his book, possibly sales, research etc - highly gooable links too. To both parties.
Time for bed.
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If you answered 8 or 10 for the first question you was correct.
If you answered 100 for the second you was wrong.
;-)
poster:Nickengland
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