Posted by Larry Hoover on October 10, 2004, at 6:01:13
In reply to Re: 12 step programs (redirect from pb-Faith), posted by alexandra_k on October 10, 2004, at 3:05:29
> I can't do 12 step programs. They require me to have faith in things that I do not have faith in. I know that you can start out with your bedpan or whatever you like as your higher power, but it is beyond credibility to complete the step requiring you to surrender your will to the bedpan if that is your conception of a higher power. The steps increasingly turn the conception of god into an agent who will help us if only we surrender our will to him / her.
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> I don't believe it is about surrender.
> I believe it is about learning how to take responsibility.I hope you read my post, wherein I described my own struggle with god (and surrendering to him/her/it).....I added an o to the word, and came up with good. I think you might be able to surrender to good. I do think so. I hope that is not too presumptuous.
It most definitely is about taking responsibility, but only for that part you should be responsible for. You develop clear interpersonal boundaries by doing the twelve steps....taking responsibility for your sh*t, and leaving other people's sh*t alone.
Lar
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