Posted by bleauberry on April 4, 2010, at 14:52:23
In reply to Re: Health Care Bill Has Already Robbed, posted by Sigismund on April 3, 2010, at 15:53:39
> High taxation is 19/6 in the pound, as it was in Britain after the war when people decided they wanted a different society.
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> Socialism is only confused with liberalism in the USA.
> Some Fox news thing, their contribution to enlightenment?
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> When decisions relating to defense and bailouts can be made in a flash and yet it takes an almighty fight to give people a minimum of health care, I'm left wondering about how the USA will handle the multi-polar future. More money for weapons and liberty?The almighty fight for a minimum of health care...think about that. Most people have a lot more than a minimum of health care. The bill is helping a small minority of people, not the majority. That's why all the fuss. That's why all the fight. That's why so hard to pass even with a majority in the house and senate and executive branch.
Those without health care will get a minimum of health care now, better than they had, cool. The great majority will get less than what they are accustomed to. History proves that. No need for armchair quarterbacking, predictions, or opinions.
Comparing the issue to national defense doesn't seem like a logical comparison to me. Apples and oranges. When thousands of people are killed in blown up skyscraper buildings and airplanes, defense becomes an issue to not take lazily.
That said, the whole commitment to Mid East is kind of iffy in my mind. I don't think we needed to get so deeply entrenched in that whole affair in order to protect our own borders. Much cheaper effective ways to do that. Politicians of all colors and stripes have made mistakes, as humans they are bound to.
As for liberty, that does not cost money. As a matter of fact, the more money that is spent in its name, the less liberty there is. Government, get out of the way, provide basic defense and regulation for the few idiots that would tarnish the thing, and leave free people unchained to accomplish miracles. The USA has proved that is the way it works. No one has a better medical system on the entire planet, as just one example of what a free society does.
Fox News has nothing to do with my take on liberalism or socialism because I don't have Fox News. As I understand it, liberalism attempts to fix all problems with government intervention, run business with government intervention, take wealth from those that earned it and give it to those who didn't, and to limit the amount of success any individual can achieve in the name of fairness. In other words, state controlled everything with high taxes to pay for it. To me that is liberalism, is also socialism, and not exactly communism but close.
In any case, whether my perceptions are wrong or right, they all hinge on the same thing...
White coats in a government building assume to run your life and your neighbor's life better than you can whether you like it or not. That is human arrogance and folly on display.
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