Posted by bleauberry on April 2, 2010, at 19:22:17
In reply to Health Care Bill Has Already Robbed, posted by bleauberry on March 29, 2010, at 19:46:40
Forget all the details and fine print and political views for a moment.
Never in history in any city, state, or country across the entire planet has government controlled health care provided greater coverage or greater care than free society. Never. Look to Europe. Britain. Canada. Massachusettes. Anywhere you want. Mass is the most recent example in which you will have to hunt high and low to find anyone that has something good to say about, as dramatically witnessed by the recent election there. The people who have actually experience state controlled health care want out of it badly. And that system was the best that Americans could muster. Sounded great. Promises galore. Utopia for all. Miserable failure. Not a single person likes it. Opposite of what was expected. Now too big of a machine to change it. Can't stop a tank once it starts rolling downhill.
It has never worked before. So it amazes me that somehow someone thinks this is different, it will work this time? Yeah really? Tell me exactly, in detail, how does this plan circumvent the weaknesses of all those other attempts throughout history across the globe?
As always, these things look great on paper and sound good on the tongue. In the real world, funding them is mathematically impossible. Money eventually runs out. Cutbacks follow. Lowered quality of care is predictable based on history, previous examples, and logical deduction.
But at least everyone is covered. No matter that the coverage they all get rather sucks. At least they all suck together. Equality. Fairness.
I want someone who is pro-Obama-care to tell me exactly, in detail, how this particular state controlled health system has bypassed the falacies of all those that came prior to it.
It really boils down to this. Over 200 years ago men, women, and children died while beating off the Kings of England who had too much government control of their lives and were taxing them too highly. These men, women, and children shed their blood in order to create a country that had minimum government intervention into people's lives and to provide reasonable taxation. The current state of affairs spits on those people who died to create this awesome country you live in that you even have the choice to be pro-Obama or con-Obama. Back then, they didn't even have that choice.
Going backwards in history to repeat mistakes already made is where we are at today.
Mecicare is the best state controlled health care system Americans have ever developed in a real life experiment. I think just about everyone can see how that doesn't work. The current plan is no different, just a lot bigger in terms of size and in terms of the amount of people it will negatively impact.
Healthcare for everyone. We all want that. Who wouldn't? Better healthcare. We all want that. Who wouldn't? Cheaper healthcare. We all want that. Who wouldn't? The problem is, any government controlled provider cannot do that. Only free markets can. The methods that would have provided those results were thoroughly ignored by the pro-Obama leftists.
And that was on purpose. It was no accident. The things that would truly address problems are not desired. What is desired is continuation of problems and creation of new problems. Why? Because that provides a chaotic environment for government to step in and take over even more. Which is exactly the goal of leftists. The healthcare bill is a mere opening step in an effort in that direction.
Which will be sqaushed one way or another. As my mother always told me wisely, "The pendulum swings". The Dems were in control for decades. The Repubs were accustomed to playing second fiddle, compromising, going along with it. Then they got majority. The pendulum had swung. But they didn't know what to do with it. It was a new thing. After Reagan, they kind of got lost. That caused another pendulum swing. Demo majority. There we discovered there are no such things as moderate Dems. Their true colors of leftist liberals were unveiled. Massachusettes revolted. The pendulum is swinging again.
I say to anyone who likes high taxes and likes government to control as much as possible, get the heck out of the USA because that is not what this country is all about. You don't belong here. You belong somewhere where there are already high taxes and high government involvement. If you don't like the USA as it was created, go somewhere else.
If the healthcare is so great, then why are Obama and his staffers exempt from it? It's good enough for the stupid americans, but not good enough for them?
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