Posted by broken on May 25, 2005, at 15:17:32
In reply to Re: The difference between eating meat and rape » so, posted by alexandra_k on May 19, 2005, at 3:26:41
> > It made it morally acceptable to those people in that time and place.
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> Ah... Moral relativism...
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> >Or are you suggesting your morals now dictate what is morally acceptable now and always for everybody?
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> Not *my morals*... But I believe there are universal ethical truths that hold for all times places cultures etc...
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> One example might be:
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> Torturing a baby for fun is morally wrong.
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> > There might be a time when pouring sulfur dioxide into the air is considered immoral, but today few so consider it. Some people today consider dancing immoral, but others don't.
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> Just because people may think morals are relative that doesn't mean morals are relative.And just because people believe that there is some universal ethical truths that hold for all times places cultures etc. Doesn't make it so either.
Ofcourse you are entitled to those beliefs, as I am entitled to mine. But your beliefs do not equal fact. They are what they are... Your beliefs. Mine are different, but they aren't fact either.
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> If whatever a culture says goes...
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> Then the holocaust is only wrong from our perspective now.
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> If Hitler had won the war then I guess it would still be morally acceptable.
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> Likewise the notion that black people aren't moral persons (they are no more than animals) and thus we don't really need to take their interests into account.
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> Likewise the notion that animals (aside from our particular beloved pets) don't require to have their interest in remaining alive taken seriously when it comes to the 'fun' of us killing them.
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> Do you really want to accept that conclusion???The only conclusion that I want to accept is that I am as entitled to my beliefs as you are. I believe that these comparisons are extreme to the nth degree. I believe that anyone that hunts would feel put down on accused by your comparisons. I believe the guidelines to civillity on this website have been put in place to keep such things from happening, and are being ignored throughout this entire thread.
But those are only my beliefs, and that doesn't make them fact.
> My specific point about rape was just supposed to illustrate that just because people do do something or just because a culture does think that something is morally ok that doesn't make it morally ok in the greater scheme of things.
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>That might have been your intention, but again, as someone that hunts legally, abides by the laws of my nation, which (right or wrong) loosely define morals in place here, it appeared you were comparing hunting to rape.
Chris
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