Posted by Gabbix2 on December 15, 2004, at 1:24:35
In reply to Re: Pandora's Box, posted by MKB on December 15, 2004, at 0:09:43
> If there is gay marriage, there will also be gay divorce. If 50% of heterosexual marriages end in divorce, will homosexuals do any better? I don't think so,
It's quite likely that homosexuals will "do better" as there is less pressure on them to get married in the first place, the ones who decide to make this commitment have the opportunity to put great thought into it.
And why should they have to "do better" than heterosexuals to have the same legal rights?
This is about the equality of two human beings who love each other.> since many heterosexuals work harder to hold their marriage together for the sake of their biological children.
And many heterosexuals make the mistake of getting married in the first place because of pregnancy.
This is not about who behaves in what way.
You could take individual heterosexual couples and using this same format of argument to decide who should be allowed to get married and who should not. Justifying the legal denial of certain rights to citizens, which is an enormous thing, must be made on more than opinion.
To be seen as more than opinion the argument can't be applied selectively.
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> If there is gay divorce, there will also be issues of alimony, child support, visitation, division of property. Since medical science as yet has not enabled two people of the same gender to have a biological child, there will often be 3 parents fighting over a child.
>There are already often 3 parents fighting over a child. Is that enough of a reason to deny homosexual union? We don't want more divorces, we don't want any more custody battles. Okay, then it's equally legitimate to say we should deny the rights of young women to have babies, and get married. There are already too many marriages ending in divorce, and we don't want to create any more situations wherein there are three parents fighting over a child.
> If the motivation is financial benefits that come with gay marriage, there will eventually be single people who want to form partnerships just for that reason, when sex is not even involved.
There are many heterosexuals who already get married for reasons other than sex.
> This is going to put a tremendous strain on our court system and it will not be cheap. Laws will have to be rewritten.
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Laws had to be rewritten to abolish slavery.If you were against abortion, and the abortion laws were changed would you question the strain it would put on the court system?
If you were innocent of a crime, and yet convicted, and it took 20 years to prove your innocence would you question the strain it put on the court system?
> Some lawyers are already pushing for polygamy to be legal, yes, even in Canada.That is simply not applicable to this situation however IMO I have no interest in polygamy but it doesn't horrify me. There are many terrible things done by heterosexual couples with children that frighten me far more.
The state of marriage is always changing, it always has been.
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> Eventually, marriage will become a moot point. It will, in the end, be of no benefit to anyone.Marriage was originally a way for a man to own a woman, she became chattel, anything she owned became his, he knew any children she bore were his own and he had the right to beat her. That's the history of marriage, it had nothing to do with male monogamy, (she of course had to be monagamous) It had nothing to do with a loving union unless by chance. Some would argue that we had little to lose.
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