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Posted by musky on June 15, 2006, at 22:59:51
In reply to Re: Hey Jules , johnny, cashy, jenico..., posted by jeninco on June 15, 2006, at 12:32:57
>Hi Jenico:
Hey still no posts from johnnyj..its been almost a week I think..
Im still hangin in... some dips in mood but they were short lived ... today not too bad. Had a massage (for neck, tension etc. issues). this really helped.. muscle tension better tonight at least.
Sleeping a little better the last 2 days.. I think the Calcium/mag. helps alot along with the chammomile tea, etc.
I go for acupuncture tommorrw..been going every week now until the w/d have stabilized and my mood. If this is what it takes to stay afloat then this is what I will do for sure... No way I want to crash and go back to square one with hospital, panic, etc, etc..
It feels so good to NOT TAKE ANY MEDS at bedtime!!!!!! and I feel like my mind is slowly coming back.. NOt quite as numb feeling.. so we'll see... 3weeks and counting of being OFF this crap.how are u doin? Seems like its just us two posting these days...
MuskyI'm worried about johnnyj too. I hope we get an update soon.
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> Glad you're doing a little better Musky with the nauseau. But the headaches still???? I couldn't find anything to make mine stop. I hope it eases up soon.
Posted by jeninco on June 15, 2006, at 23:46:41
In reply to Re: Hey Jules , johnny, cashy, jenico..., posted by musky on June 15, 2006, at 22:59:51
It's so refreshing to hear that you are doing well. My OB recommended accupuncture but I have a hard time imagining when I'd be able to do it with my two little ones 24/7. I'm doing very well at 3.75-very stable, sleeping well. The first week at the level (down from 5) I had insomnia so I'm thankful to be sleeping again and dreading NOT doing so.
I don't think I ever felt numb from the medication, but then again I won't know for sure until I'm off.
Mood aside, the nauseau does seem to have settled? That's so awesome. That and the headaches were just killing me.
I didn't have good luck with the magnesium supplement at all. Do you take it at night? I took it and had a crazy wired several hours, but I think my entire system was rejected everything I put in my mouth at that point. My doctor had me try trazedone (terrible for me, didn't rest), lunesta (got up at 4 AM) and back on ambien within just a few days.
I'll be glad IF I can ever sleep without medication again too. I know it must be great.
It's so nice to know someone who has made it through all of this. You are my inspiration.
Posted by johnnyj on June 16, 2006, at 10:50:02
In reply to Hey Jules , johnny, cashy, jenico..., posted by musky on June 15, 2006, at 0:08:36
Hello everyone:
Some computer problems and severe withdrawal kept me pretty much useless the past week or so. Things got very bad. My head tension was so bad I thought something was seriously wrong. Advil has helped even though I don’t want to take it.
I was so fatigued, moving felt like a colossal chore. All I could do was lay down. I would wake up in the middle of the night with nausea and just this nagging anxiety/depression. Not terrible, just nagging. I had a decent few days with no nausea and then two days ago it started again along with the head stuff. My chest feels heavy also. Things seem to come in waves, up and down, up and down. I am just over 3 weeks so I hope it gets better.
My sleep is very different right now. I am sleeping much lighter which causes me to wake up easier. I wake up between 4 and 5:30 and don’t sleep much longer. 5 to 6 hours is the tops. I am just not getting that deep sleep and it causes me to feel down. I feel if I could get 7 good hours I could get over the hump but I fear that will never happen. I haven’t taken anything for sleep and really don’t want to but a good nights sleep would be wonderful. Sometimes I feel I am close to feeling “normal” and sometimes I fear I am crashing into something bad. Hard to know what is going on.
If I didn’t have you guys to let me know this is withdrawal I would think it is just my original condition.
When I weaned off of the benzo I had a month after the last dose that was bad and remeron has been much tougher so I guess maybe 3 weeks is still short. It is hard to look 2 or 3 months down the road.
Take care all and I hope you beat the remeron because I don’t know if I can right now.
Cheers
johnnyj
Posted by jeninco on June 16, 2006, at 11:42:20
In reply to Re: Hey Jules , johnny, cashy, jenico..., posted by johnnyj on June 16, 2006, at 10:50:02
Johnny,
It is so hard to look SO FAR beyond when in the moment you feel like absolute hell. I'm so glad to hear that you are hanging in there though. It's unreal how powerful this medication is and how it can affect you for so long. But what you are feeling is absolutely withdrawal. I don't see that you could make a clear diagnosis as to it being anything other than w/d until several months down the road.
Hang in there. I'm so afraid of doing this again myself.
Posted by musky on June 16, 2006, at 23:55:16
In reply to Re: Hey Jules , johnny, cashy, jenico..., posted by jeninco on June 15, 2006, at 23:46:41
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hey jenico:
Thanks but im not out the woods yet.. I am prepared to expect MONTHS before Im totally back to normal.. I still dont feel me yet.. still not true emotions. but at least no real dives yet..
Went to acupunture today and he said I can try to go for 2 weeks now between visits unless things pick up..
As far as you not going to acupuncture because of your little ones... dont you have a babysitter?? I mean its worth the try ..it really works.. you need to have a reputable one(I recommened the traditional chinese ones myself).. AS for the magnesium.. its Calcium /magnesium supplement. with vitamin D. Im at the age where I want to start protecting my bones more too. The magnesium is for the muscle relaxant part and the calcium is for the bones, as well as the vit D. I cant see how you wouldnt feel good on this. you dont want to take magnesium alone... you need to counter balance with the Calcium . They have to be in the acidic form(easier absorbed) So I get Calcium/magnesium citrate(2:1). thats the ratio of calcium to magnesium you want .. This is a much SAFER way to relax the muscles.. stay away from the trazodone(its an a/d!!!) like why would a doc prescribe an a/d yet again..
Try not to dread the not sleeping ,,, this just makes you worse... Youve got to stay calm at all times... Try the cal/mag supplement with hot milk or with chammomile tea.. thats what i do and last night i had a better sleep again(except for one nightmare), but that i figure is just the brain sorting out still. Remeron gave me very VIVID nightmares!!!! almost every night!!! At least now they are few and far between.Hang in there.. when you are stable at 3.75mg for awhile(at least 2months) cut back to 2mg(use a pill cutter). Get off the drug.. u can do it if you put your mind to it!!!
Oh yah , take this cal/mag about half an hour before bed,, thats what my family doc told me.. It works!!
Musky
It's so refreshing to hear that you are doing well. My OB recommended accupuncture but I have a hard time imagining when I'd be able to do it with my two little ones 24/7. I'm doing very well at 3.75-very stable, sleeping well. The first week at the level (down from 5) I had insomnia so I'm thankful to be sleeping again and dreading NOT doing so.
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> I don't think I ever felt numb from the medication, but then again I won't know for sure until I'm off.
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> Mood aside, the nauseau does seem to have settled? That's so awesome. That and the headaches were just killing me.
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> I didn't have good luck with the magnesium supplement at all. Do you take it at night? I took it and had a crazy wired several hours, but I think my entire system was rejected everything I put in my mouth at that point. My doctor had me try trazedone (terrible for me, didn't rest), lunesta (got up at 4 AM) and back on ambien within just a few days.
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> I'll be glad IF I can ever sleep without medication again too. I know it must be great.
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> It's so nice to know someone who has made it through all of this. You are my inspiration.
Posted by musky on June 17, 2006, at 0:11:30
In reply to Re: Hey Jules , johnny, cashy, jenico..., posted by johnnyj on June 16, 2006, at 10:50:02
>Hey johnnyj:
Good to hear from you.. I was real worried , cause after the last postof yourrs.. Its ok, i have been getting the same waves.. some days almost normal, then boom anxiety/panic/depressed.
I am sleeping more, but again like you wake up earlier.. I think the sleep is somewhat deep, but I know it could be better.
Try not to give in to your fears and desperate need for a GOOD nights sleep, It will come if you are patient.. Remember remeron really changes the system.. it has to retrain itself to get back.
I expect for myself for it to take at LEAST 6months to be normal if not longer since I was on it for 3yrs!!! I just go one day at a time.
Just keep reminding yourself that you have had some not too bad days right??? thats proof right there that its is still in you to be ok!
You gotta keep going and deal with your own issues head on..
I just keep as busy as I can, get enough rest, and pamper myself likke crazy with healthy food, lots of water, exercise, acupuncture, massage, hot bath, and mental distractions.. Ive been watching more movies, and reading good novels, playing computer games, and just trying to stay in the moment..
I know what you mean by heavy head, etc.. I too get scared when all of a sudden i can tthink or my heart skips and i feel dizzy, unbalanced,,because I have had some neck issues too and always worry about that.. I just try not to let that FEAR over ride my rational thoughts..
I too ams soooo scared of crashing like I did 2yrs ago.. and scared that maybe the remeron did help..which i dont believe , but you know how you doubt yourself , especially when you feel crappy or down.. its just the mood talking.
So I SHAKE it and keep movin on..Take care
Glad to see you back posting
Im 3weeks off and so far hanging in.
Dont ever think you Cant beat the remeron... you can and you willl.... give it time.. be good to yourself..
Yes the worst for me is the head tension.and wicked headaches.. so i took Advil when needed. The last 2 days the headaches have finally been a bit better, havent had to take any Advil now. so your not alone johnny...its W/D!! you got to believe that .Musky
Hello everyone:
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> Some computer problems and severe withdrawal kept me pretty much useless the past week or so. Things got very bad. My head tension was so bad I thought something was seriously wrong. Advil has helped even though I don’t want to take it.
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> I was so fatigued, moving felt like a colossal chore. All I could do was lay down. I would wake up in the middle of the night with nausea and just this nagging anxiety/depression. Not terrible, just nagging. I had a decent few days with no nausea and then two days ago it started again along with the head stuff. My chest feels heavy also. Things seem to come in waves, up and down, up and down. I am just over 3 weeks so I hope it gets better.
>
> My sleep is very different right now. I am sleeping much lighter which causes me to wake up easier. I wake up between 4 and 5:30 and don’t sleep much longer. 5 to 6 hours is the tops. I am just not getting that deep sleep and it causes me to feel down. I feel if I could get 7 good hours I could get over the hump but I fear that will never happen. I haven’t taken anything for sleep and really don’t want to but a good nights sleep would be wonderful. Sometimes I feel I am close to feeling “normal” and sometimes I fear I am crashing into something bad. Hard to know what is going on.
>
> If I didn’t have you guys to let me know this is withdrawal I would think it is just my original condition.
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> When I weaned off of the benzo I had a month after the last dose that was bad and remeron has been much tougher so I guess maybe 3 weeks is still short. It is hard to look 2 or 3 months down the road.
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> Take care all and I hope you beat the remeron because I don’t know if I can right now.
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> Cheers
>
> johnnyj
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Posted by musky on June 17, 2006, at 0:14:14
In reply to Re: Hey Jules , johnny, cashy, jenico..., posted by jeninco on June 16, 2006, at 11:42:20
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Hey jenico:
Dont be afraid.. yu can do it too. we are here at this post for ya... Take your time.. believe in yourself.. dont get scared by docs etc.. if they tell yu to take it... do what is right for you and trust your own gut instinct.. NOT your fears.I will say a little prayer for yu k?
Musky
Johnny,
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> It is so hard to look SO FAR beyond when in the moment you feel like absolute hell. I'm so glad to hear that you are hanging in there though. It's unreal how powerful this medication is and how it can affect you for so long. But what you are feeling is absolutely withdrawal. I don't see that you could make a clear diagnosis as to it being anything other than w/d until several months down the road.
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> Hang in there. I'm so afraid of doing this again myself.
Posted by cashy72 on June 17, 2006, at 9:27:40
In reply to Re: Hey Jules , johnny, cashy, jenico..., posted by musky on June 17, 2006, at 0:14:14
Hey Guy's, glad too hear from you all. It's no fun getting off this wicked stuff is it?! You just gotta kick marching on. I'm 6 weeks into being Remeron free, and still have a short nights sleep, usually awake 4.30 - 5 am. Plus mornings are still crappy, much more anxiety in the morning, and also whenever im trying too concentrate on something i get a kinda tension building up in my head, and muscles, it's weird, but it goes and like you all have said, there are good days, and some bad.
Im just trying too keep on the road too being off this stuff, and keeping busy, with healthy food and stuff.
Its so tough isn't it, but as each week goes by hopefully things will get easier.....
Hang in there...... We will all pull through this, and it's just a chapter in our lives which with the help of friends, family, and forums like this one, encouraging eachother, we can close the book on this part of our lives...
Keep going.....
CASHY72.
Posted by cashy72 on June 17, 2006, at 10:55:23
In reply to Re: Hey Jules , johnny, cashy, jenico..., posted by cashy72 on June 17, 2006, at 9:27:40
Oh yeah, another thing. Has anyone else found their tolerance too alcohol severely reduced??? Since i've come off the remeron, if i have say 3 or 4 beers i get serious headaches in the morning?? where before this was no problem.. i wander if this is also the withdrawal, and the brain readjusting, and when alcohol is put in the equation as well, it doesn't go together well??!
Keep Smilin'!!
Cashy72
Posted by musky on June 17, 2006, at 12:19:55
In reply to Re: Hey Jules , johnny, cashy, jenico..., posted by cashy72 on June 17, 2006, at 9:27:40
Hey cashy:
thanks for your post.. sounds like you are hangin in.. yu give me hope as you seem to be a little ahead of me in the being off stage.. 6 weeks vs my 3 weeks.
VERY interesting what you say about the waking up early.. me too!! I have been waking around 5am as well.. normally I would sleep until 9 or 10 and still be groggy, etc. Now I seem to wake up easier in the morning. with clearer head, I guess this is the only postitive thing so far with bein off. But then like you my anxiety is worse in the morning , then tapers off, then up and down during the day. And whats even more unbelievable is that I TOO get the muscle tension in the back of my head, especially when I try to concentrate on something,, or sit and look at a piece of paper, or work ,etc, or look at a picture .. anything that requires me to hold still and concentrate.. I find if I dont adjust my body or move then I feel this overwhelming Tension building up.. behind my neck, base of skull, mostley and some upper back, then I feel dizzy or tippy.. its strange but I have had this since Being on the Remeron and now its a bit better OFF the remeron but still present. At least there is someone out there that has experienced this like me.. ITS wierd as you say and I NEVER had this until I was first on the amytriptylene(for 3months), then the REmeron.. When I was at the max dose of Remeron it was REALLY Bad for agitation... I couldnt even stand still at the check outs at the store or standing still anywhere without having to release this tension.. It was horrible and embarrassing, to say the least.anyways keep hanging in and yes I hope one day we can all forget this nonsense and be happy again..
Musky
> Hey Guy's, glad too hear from you all. It's no fun getting off this wicked stuff is it?! You just gotta kick marching on. I'm 6 weeks into being Remeron free, and still have a short nights sleep, usually awake 4.30 - 5 am. Plus mornings are still crappy, much more anxiety in the morning, and also whenever im trying too concentrate on something i get a kinda tension building up in my head, and muscles, it's weird, but it goes and like you all have said, there are good days, and some bad.
> Im just trying too keep on the road too being off this stuff, and keeping busy, with healthy food and stuff.
> Its so tough isn't it, but as each week goes by hopefully things will get easier.....
> Hang in there...... We will all pull through this, and it's just a chapter in our lives which with the help of friends, family, and forums like this one, encouraging eachother, we can close the book on this part of our lives...
> Keep going.....
> CASHY72.
Posted by musky on June 17, 2006, at 12:24:46
In reply to Re: Hey Jules , johnny, cashy, jenico..., posted by cashy72 on June 17, 2006, at 10:55:23
> I think so cashy... I know that you are not supposed to take ANY alcohol when on the REmeron and i think its still early for you body to be back to normal chemistry...
I havent drank in 3yrs cause of what it said about alcohol and Remeron.. I dont know if you did while on it.. I was way too scared.. I really miss to have a relaxing beer or two.. like the old days.. thats when I felt good..
For me,, im giving it at LEAST 5-6months before i touch a drinkk.. I hope i dont get the headaches like you and i hope that this isnt a permanent effect from the Remeron and that I cant even enjoy a beer again...Ttyl
Musky
Oh yeah, another thing. Has anyone else found their tolerance too alcohol severely reduced??? Since i've come off the remeron, if i have say 3 or 4 beers i get serious headaches in the morning?? where before this was no problem.. i wander if this is also the withdrawal, and the brain readjusting, and when alcohol is put in the equation as well, it doesn't go together well??!
> Keep Smilin'!!
> Cashy72
>
Posted by johnnyj on June 18, 2006, at 21:12:24
In reply to Re: Hey Jules , johnny, cashy, jenico..., posted by musky on June 17, 2006, at 12:24:46
Wow, I slept better last night but feel worse today. Usually, if I sleep well I feel well but not today. I had up and down anxiety(heavy chest)and felt spacy. Things became quite uncomfortable and I thought I might be going crazy. Head is a little better though and not really depressed at all. Things took a downturn after I cut the lawn. I was very tired after being outside. My body really doesn't want to work out and I fear too much is "charging" my body when it is trying to normalize.
It is very strange feeling. Some things lessen and then other increase. Each day is different. Man, this Thursday will be 4 weeks. I hope things even out some soon. I have no idea if what I am experiencing is normal or not. I bet most doctors would say it is not W/D and just my old symptoms. I don't thing that would be correct but I am quickly losing confidence. Depersonalization stuff is wicked. Anybody else get that?
regards
johnnyj
Posted by jeninco on June 18, 2006, at 23:59:54
In reply to Re: Hey Jules , johnny, cashy, jenico..., posted by cashy72 on June 17, 2006, at 9:27:40
Cashy,
So glad to hear that you are doing okay off. I'm so afraid-I read what Johnny and Musky are going through and I don't know if I can deal with it again.
I took remeron for sleep, it's not really helping anymore anyway. I'm down to 1/4 15 mg pill and didn't get to sleep until close to 4 am. I can't imagine feeling worse-adding nausea and headaches back in. :(
You give me hope. Thank you for posting.
Posted by musky on June 19, 2006, at 1:00:43
In reply to Re: Hey Jules , johnny, cashy, jenico... » musky, posted by johnnyj on June 18, 2006, at 21:12:24
>Dont worry,, i get the up and down stuff too. Its the body trying to adjust... trust it.. and of course the docs will tell you its your old symptoms... thats ALL THEY KNOW!!! They arent inside you so they cant possibly know that its NOT withdrawl... and the fact that you are on some other med arent you? if i recall from an earlier post. .. that might be stretching stuff out too.
What do you mean by depersonilization?? I think I know and maybe I am experencing it too... but tell me more what it is you experience..
I just get foggy brain, then cant concentrate. Today i had wierd moments of overwhelming feelings , couldnt think at all for a moment, then normal mood, then dizzy, anxious etc, then normal then kinda scared, then normal.. boy this went on all day.. so to me I just keep saying its the W/D... its gotta be as I never had this before meds!!!!!
its good you are sleeping better, it will even out. I have been sleeping not too bad, just wake up so early now??? 5am .. its so wierd.. so i just relax a bit in bed and then just go to work a little earlier... I'm sure its just the body again readjusting sleep patterns.. R
Remember.. REmeron knocks out 3 different pathways in the brain unlike your other a/d.. So it takes time(ive done alot of research)..also consulted with pharmacologist where I work.
I'll be glad when the anxiety passes.. which again Im sure it would be even worse without the acupuncture...
Are you going to acupuncture??
as far as exercise,, It has helped get rid of this excess stress(its temp, but at least its helping too).
Just keep fighting... dont loose confidence and keep telling yourself you want to be Remeron free..
keep posting..
1 month coming up for us... we can do thisMusky
Wow, I slept better last night but feel worse today. Usually, if I sleep well I feel well but not today. I had up and down anxiety(heavy chest)and felt spacy. Things became quite uncomfortable and I thought I might be going crazy. Head is a little better though and not really depressed at all. Things took a downturn after I cut the lawn. I was very tired after being outside. My body really doesn't want to work out and I fear too much is "charging" my body when it is trying to normalize.
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> It is very strange feeling. Some things lessen and then other increase. Each day is different. Man, this Thursday will be 4 weeks. I hope things even out some soon. I have no idea if what I am experiencing is normal or not. I bet most doctors would say it is not W/D and just my old symptoms. I don't thing that would be correct but I am quickly losing confidence. Depersonalization stuff is wicked. Anybody else get that?
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> regards
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> johnnyj
Posted by musky on June 19, 2006, at 1:04:42
In reply to Re: Hey Jules , johnny, cashy, jenico..., posted by jeninco on June 18, 2006, at 23:59:54
>Jenico:
If you just took the Remeron for sleep thats NOT the reason to take it.. I mean thats a little extreme for dr. to rx that.. THey tried to tellme that it would help my sleep too,, but it didnt help one bit... I mean I had nightmares all the time and just felt groggy sleep,,, not normal rested relaxed sleep...
I hope you really get off this time... you can do it ..just keep the faith..
look at cashy and jules.. they are doing ok it seems.. and Im still hanging in...its been hard, but I just go day at a time..
Only talk to those who are FOR u coming off not to those who support Remeron...Good luck
MuskyCashy,
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> So glad to hear that you are doing okay off. I'm so afraid-I read what Johnny and Musky are going through and I don't know if I can deal with it again.
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> I took remeron for sleep, it's not really helping anymore anyway. I'm down to 1/4 15 mg pill and didn't get to sleep until close to 4 am. I can't imagine feeling worse-adding nausea and headaches back in. :(
>
> You give me hope. Thank you for posting.
Posted by musky on June 19, 2006, at 1:12:18
In reply to Re: Hey Jules , johnny, cashy, jenico... » musky, posted by johnnyj on June 18, 2006, at 21:12:24
I just thought I would let you gys know that IM starting a high dose B complex tommorrow.. B vitamins are especially good for nerves and mood..
Im going to try it.. couldnt hurt.. and i use to take them but at a lower dose.. For this time im trying 100mg of the complex instead of the usual 50mg.. its still safe and B vitamins are water soluble therefore not toxic..I forgot to mention that Ive been taking the Omega 3 joy (health food store).. for mood , and maybe this is helping too.. its just fish oils.. research has shown that it supports mood...successful for depressed states.
Also another important point... I read an article written by a pharmacist on the effects of certain meds on vitamins... And ANTIDEPRESSANTS were HIGH on the list for destroying vitamins in the body,,, alongside birthcontrol pills(they knock out folic acid in womeN).. So be aware.. this is why IM now going to give these BComplex a good try...Musky
Posted by cashy72 on June 19, 2006, at 5:07:23
In reply to Re: Hey Jules , johnny, cashy, jenico..., posted by musky on June 19, 2006, at 1:12:18
Hey Musky, thats interesting about the vit supplements, and fish oil. I think im going too give that a try, as you say, it certainly won't do any harm, so any positive effect is good news..
Thanks.
Cashy72
Posted by jules354 on June 19, 2006, at 15:33:47
In reply to Re: Hey Jules , johnny, cashy, jenico..., posted by musky on June 19, 2006, at 1:12:18
hi cashy & musky,
there are lots of good threads on the Alternative board about both vitamin B and fish oil...poss. side effects and the specific kinds of supplements to take. i've always had a good experience with vitamin B complex for PMS but i think sometimes it can make me irritable too, which i thought was just me until i read those boards.
take care
jules
Posted by jules354 on June 19, 2006, at 15:34:30
In reply to Re: Hey Jules , johnny, cashy, jenico..., posted by cashy72 on June 17, 2006, at 10:55:23
Posted by jules354 on June 19, 2006, at 15:40:02
In reply to Re: Hey Jules , johnny, cashy, jenico... » musky, posted by johnnyj on June 18, 2006, at 21:12:24
it can be hard to know whether the mood dips are w/d or the depression. it's been almost 4 months since my last dose and the last couple weeks i've been struggling with some anxiety and low mood. it doesnt feel like my old depression, exactly, so i'm pretty sure it's not, but it's discouraging to not be "better" all the time. i also wake up early in the morning at least a few times a week...
i do feel though that slowly but surely, overall, i'm stabilizing and clearing the medication from my system.
i had that reaction to physical activity when i was depressed. it's really rough to deal with. i wonder if something like aquatic therapy would be comforting to you. or just hanging out in a pool once in a while, not pushing yourself but spending time there.
i hope things get better for you soon. i'm keeping you in my thoughts!
take care,
jules
Posted by johnnyj on June 19, 2006, at 17:01:31
In reply to Re: Hey Jules , johnny, cashy, jenico... » johnnyj, posted by jules354 on June 19, 2006, at 15:40:02
Thank you for the uplifting thoughts Jules. I had such anxiety this whole morning but I found a website on relaxation and timed my breathing. I took like 23 breathes and it should have been around 8! The site talked about CO2 and the feelings it can cause so I used the breathing technique and it helped quiet me some. I don't feel too bad right now as the chest stuff has abated some. What a rough day yesterday and this morning.
I just want to sleep normally. I will try to fight through. Hope things are well with you and everyone else gets some relief. This drug is very bad on the body.
johnnyj
Posted by musky on June 20, 2006, at 0:57:05
In reply to Re: Hey Jules , johnny, cashy, jenico... » johnnyj, posted by jules354 on June 19, 2006, at 15:40:02
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About the exercise thing...Im told and also find that you WANT to increase the heart rate etc.. it gets those endorphins going and if you break a sweat will help get rid of the meds too.. and it kick starts the bodys own neurotransmitters .. I always feel better after I exercise.. I find it really lowers my stress levels and they stay low for a few hours aftewards.. I am confused when you say you dont want to rev up johnny... but then you know how you feel. again swimming is good as well ,,ive been adding in a swim once per week to my exercise mix....
Today more tension headaches..still waking up at stupid 4am but at least I get to sleep...and sleep not too bad before the 4am waking..
still not right in the mood... quite down most of the day... just kept going.. and then I picked up tonight.. was at a lecture and it really kept me distracted and I felt better after..
again distraction of the mind however you do it really helps with this w/d stuff.
I just wish these tension /headaches would go away.. and the restlessness still. LIke i say its been better with acupuncuncture and all the other stuff ive been doing ,but it its not all gone by a long shot... I guess we just have to wait it out. I will see how these B vitamins go.. I will give it afew weeks before judging..
Take care allmusky
it can be hard to know whether the mood dips are w/d or the depression. it's been almost 4 months since my last dose and the last couple weeks i've been struggling with some anxiety and low mood. it doesnt feel like my old depression, exactly, so i'm pretty sure it's not, but it's discouraging to not be "better" all the time. i also wake up early in the morning at least a few times a week...
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> i do feel though that slowly but surely, overall, i'm stabilizing and clearing the medication from my system.
>
> i had that reaction to physical activity when i was depressed. it's really rough to deal with. i wonder if something like aquatic therapy would be comforting to you. or just hanging out in a pool once in a while, not pushing yourself but spending time there.
>
> i hope things get better for you soon. i'm keeping you in my thoughts!
>
> take care,
> jules
Posted by johnnyj on June 20, 2006, at 8:45:33
In reply to Re: Hey Jules , johnny, cashy, jenico..., posted by musky on June 20, 2006, at 0:57:05
Hi Musky,
For me, exercise has been very difficult the last few years. Actually, it has made me feel worse, messed up my sleep, etc. I have tried every type of excerise and different times during the day. My doctor thinks the meds might have been affecting me somehow. That is why I need to stabilize before embarking on a new regime. I believe that for me, charging the body when it is trying to adjust is not wise. I am trying to right the ship chemically speaking so I don't want lactic acid, and what else affecting me until my body is able to handle it better. If it makes you feel good then by all means do it.
As far as depersonalization it is when I feel kind of outside my body. I just don't feel "me". It happens when I am spacey the most. I almost get this feeling like I am not connected. It is very scary and I think it is kind of related to anxiety too.
I slept better last night. I just curled up on the floor and my wife woke me up later. I slept somewhat better until 5 or so. Sunday and Monday were bad though
Hope everyone is better.
johnnyj
Posted by johnnyj on June 20, 2006, at 8:47:14
In reply to Re: Hey Jules , johnny, cashy, jenico..., posted by musky on June 20, 2006, at 0:57:05
Posted by musky on June 21, 2006, at 0:38:25
In reply to Re: Hey Jules , johnny, cashy, jenico... » musky, posted by johnnyj on June 20, 2006, at 8:45:33
>Hello johnnyj:
Glad to hear you slept better last night.. one day at a time..
yes this depersonilization you talk about sounds like what I have been getting... I would always get it while tapering and now again .. some days I do , other days I dont... its wierd.. today I just felt numb and down.. and not really connected.. like you say.. Ive also heard it can be from anxiety or w/d or the anxiety caused by meds and w/d of themm.. All i know is that I NEVER had these feeling before meds or ever in my life until this whole episode with Remeron!!!!!Tood bad you get revved up on exercise in a negative way.. I had such bad headaches today and after I exercised it was better. later tonight i had them again..tension headaches then finally took an Advil.. seems to have subsided.. I know this is tensiion and I didnt have a problem before..Im SURE its the w/d , etc.. cause I never had tensiion headaches before like this.
I just keep trying to take one day at a time..
This is not fun stuff thats happening to us.
Damn those drugs anyways!!!keep posting.. we need support all of us.
one good thing.. I lost another pound since stopping the Remeron... yeah! so total i have lost 20lbs from the original 45 i gained on this crap//.. so another 25 to go about... Again.. NEVER had a wt problem before.. and this wt gain was more like puffy, fat, bloated type unhealthy gross wt gain... Im feeling better since ive at least lost the 20lbs of it..Musky
Musky,
>
> For me, exercise has been very difficult the last few years. Actually, it has made me feel worse, messed up my sleep, etc. I have tried every type of excerise and different times during the day. My doctor thinks the meds might have been affecting me somehow. That is why I need to stabilize before embarking on a new regime. I believe that for me, charging the body when it is trying to adjust is not wise. I am trying to right the ship chemically speaking so I don't want lactic acid, and what else affecting me until my body is able to handle it better. If it makes you feel good then by all means do it.
>
> As far as depersonalization it is when I feel kind of outside my body. I just don't feel "me". It happens when I am spacey the most. I almost get this feeling like I am not connected. It is very scary and I think it is kind of related to anxiety too.
>
> I slept better last night. I just curled up on the floor and my wife woke me up later. I slept somewhat better until 5 or so. Sunday and Monday were bad though
>
> Hope everyone is better.
>
> johnnyj
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