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Posted by alexandra_k on February 12, 2022, at 15:18:31
That's the thing of it.
We only need around 90 per cent to be vaccinated to have herd immunity. We needed around 50 per cent of people to be vaccinated against smallpox to have herd immunity, and we got around that, and so we don't really see smallpox anymore.
We weren't really what we needed for Covid for herd immunity. What was the point? I think the point was...
To start with there was a concern about how lethal Covid was. But then they learned to be less aggressive with the 'medical treatment' and more people lived. That is to say, when they were less aggressive with getting people onto ventillators. When they gave them supportive oxygen therapy (oxygen tank) rather than putting them on a ventillator then more people lived.
In other words, it wasn't so much the Covid that was killing them as agressive 'medical treatment'.
Once they backed off the aggressive 'medical treatment' (once they got 'those docs' out of the hospital?) then the mortality went down. Covid wasn't killing people quite so much as overly aggressive 'medical treatment' you see.
But then it was about hospital overwhelm. People were dying at home, say, without the supportive treatments. And there weren't enough oxygen tanks. Etc.
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Now...
It is about the Dr Death effort. The fact that since NZ is one of the last nations on the planet to be hit all the Dr Deaths struck off practice overseas are all destination here for cheapest cheapest cheapest doctors for us -- right? I mean... You are likely talking about psychopathic individuals who like to murder (at the very least) who will likely work the job for free because they love to do what they love.
I'm sure these types are all getting applications to work in our hospitals... I'm sure their applications are progressing through... Their visas... How much money are they willing to contribute to smoothing the way on their visa applications?? For special favor exemptions from the politicians and the like...
That's the Kiwi way -- right?
Isn't it?
Isn't that why they are so determined to keep the likes of me out of the hospitals. Because I see what's going on. Because it's f*ck*ng obvious.
Why it is that they won't progress the application. Progress the application. Progress the application.
Why our hospoitals are full of 'no speak english'.
They will not pay the workers.
They don't want good people in the hospitals. They want cmopliant people to comply and keep the mouths shut.
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We are soooooooooooooooooo far behind...
Where things were at in NY etc... HOw many years ago, now?
3?
More?
I think it's been since I finished my thesis...
End 2018 / start 2019. Right?
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My views have developed quite a lot from what I wrote then.
Because I'm not a f*ck*ng idiot. I've been able to see various things and read what various others have to say etc and my views have developed...
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But of course i don't have the most basic of speaking rights.
Nobody bothers to say to my face what problems they have so I can further explain or else say that on further consideration I think their concerns are correct and I've developed or changed my views.
We don't have sensible conversations like that.
Because we don't have conversations.
Because we have forced compliance.
Because we don't have people.
We hvae nasty bruitish and short animals. That's how the leaders think of the people of NZ.
That's how they treat them.
The public services (health, education, justice).
There's ntohing here, at all.
ANd those with the capacity are kept well out to make way for the useless idiots who will ensure no development and no progress. Not on their watch.
Posted by alexandra_k on February 12, 2022, at 15:34:09
In reply to exemptions, posted by alexandra_k on February 12, 2022, at 15:18:31
So, what was it, we wanted to measure compliance. How compliant a population would be.
Or maybe we wanted to measure how carried away a parliament would be, if they thought a compliant population was something to be bragging about.
It was about how informed consent is not something that the leaders of NZ understand or acknowledge or.. Allow. Because they see the people of NZ as non-people. Animals. Dependents. Not capable to make good decisions. Not capable of processing information, even. That's how come they refuse to legislate ingredients listing etc on food, even. Instead they have 'traffic light' systems of 'eat most' of what the government says, when they government says, because they government says, because the government knows what is best for you.
The government thinks that informed consent is a joke. People will be forced to comply and that's an end to it. Herd immunity is achieved in populations as it is achieved in herds of other animals. Line them up and send them through. If they are reluctant, get the dogs and the vehicles and the guns.
What are the dogs and the vehicles and the guns?
We see the lengths the government will go to.
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They won't allow clinicians (medical doctors) to make decisions on the basis of clinical judgment.
Firstly, I don't think that we train our medical doctors to have clinical judgment. I don't think that we train them to understand mechanism well enough to be able to explain mechanism well enough so that people can make informed decisions about what they want to do with treatment options.
Rather, I think managment and administration decides on the basis of non-clinical things (they don't see the patient, that is to say, they decide on the basis of race and post-code etc) that (likely) no treatment is appropriate and nothing will be done. Or an inexpensive 'there there feel better' or maybe something to hasten the demise.
The politicians don't have the conception of clinical judgment. Not anymore than they have the conception of an electrician having a judgment relevant to whether something is electrically safe... They don't have the capacity to identity and value and listen to people whose job it is to know... THey won't listen to or acknowledge expertise at all.
Anyway...
Medical exemptions.
The politicians won't allow medical exemptions. I think Chris Hipkins (Minister of Everything) was granting medical exemptions on the basis of how much money certain invidiuals were bribing him or similar... He was granting or withholding them on the basis of his.. Political judgment, I suppose.
They had a list compiled by Ministry of Health Officials to decide on the basis of non-clinical things. Basically, a list of conditions or whatever that counted as 'medical exclusion reasons'. So, magic words for medical exemption, in other words.
They were the only reasons they would acknowledge.
Psychiatric?
Not to the best of my knowledge.
If someone felt very very strongly that vaccine was not right for them... To the point where they were going to be traumatised and psychologically harmed if the governemnt were to force it upon them...
Was that reason or grounds for an exemption?
Not to the best of my knowledge.
We don't have psychiatry. Not in NZ. We have cognitive-behavior-therapy trained psychology only. They are very much in the grip of the behavior modification stuff from the 60's. Still. They are stuck there. With the token economy and the punishers etc etc. Treating people as animals or intellectually handicapped... No acnkowledgement of frontal lobe capacity...
Keeping the people as drugged etc as possible to shut down the frontal lobes to make them predicatable / controllable...
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So it meant that doctors were forced to write that they had administered doses when they had thrown them away, actually. Or else maybe administered them to people who could do with boosters early (for mechanism reasons susch as their having a very weak immune response and them not having made antibodies -- which you could know if you tested to see their antibody levels)...
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I don't know that it is possible to practice medicine in NZ.
Everybody is expected to just sit about singing the praises all day of the NZ government. Who refuses to listen to anything the people have to say.
Who plans how to exterminat the people who say things they don't want to hear.
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Nobody home. There's nothing here.
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Posted by alexandra_k on February 12, 2022, at 15:40:39
In reply to Re: exemptions, posted by alexandra_k on February 12, 2022, at 15:34:09
everybody stop! everybody stop! everybody stop! whatever you were doing! everybody is now forced to become a politician!!!
if you don't want to join us then rawk! rawk! rawk!!! be murdered in your sleep, then.
i mean...
if you don't want to be a philosophy academic...
and you don't want to get busy busy busy murdering and raping (or setting other people up to be murdered or rapes)...
you don't want to slave for the courts generating hundreds of thousands of dollars of legal fees for various QCs and major firms while yourself contributing as slave...why, then, be murdered in your sleep, then.
first on the ventillator for you -- right? all the very very best of the medical care.
no?
well... suppose we involuntarily detain you in conditions of torture... what are you going to do about it?
what did you do about it last time?
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nobody home
there's nothing here
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plant a bomb in a volcano (again).
third time lucky??
Posted by alexandra_k on February 12, 2022, at 16:30:06
In reply to everybody has to be a politician!!!!, posted by alexandra_k on February 12, 2022, at 15:40:39
because the act of swabbing...
takes bacterial and viral particles etc that hang around entrances...
where normally or usually they remain around the entrances...
and normally or usually there are secretions around the entrances... the acid mantle... acidic secretions that denature proteins etc... also antibodies that are secreted by the body to act as a line of defence...
and the swab takes a good sample of what's on the surface (we aren't wiping to try and steralise people's nasal entrance -- right?) and pushes or shoves it up high past all the defences to the must vulnerable place.
the act of swabbing does that.
so the covid that may have been have been hanging about by the entrance... is mechanically carried up by teh swab bypassing the bodies natural defences.
like how an upper respiratory cold (which can be managed or handled by the body in 7-10 days) gets forced into the deepest parts of the lungs by a ventillator that has been set to ventillate a 70kg male average lung (or similar).
but we don't learn mechanimsms so nobody knows. right? its that the stupid people are selected by stupid luck. right?
sure.
course.
Posted by alexandra_k on February 12, 2022, at 16:32:59
In reply to Re: everybody has to be a politician!!!!, posted by alexandra_k on February 12, 2022, at 16:30:06
early on...
we watched as people from china waived themslves or waived electronic devises in front of a scanner or reader.
and this act of waiving themselves (their hands) or their electronic devise (their phone) in front of a scanner or reader (or uv light steraliser or whatever)...
was supposed to keep everybody safe.
and our government laughed. and said that soap and water was the way to go.
but our government has stopped saying about hand santisier.
it's all about scanning the phone.
that shows that the disease is political.
that's the state of the disease.
This is the end of the thread.
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