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Posted by Sky Brite Line on June 15, 2008, at 20:00:27
This woman was so geogrous and had all the fame, relationships in hollywood. But still after being the complete admiration of everyone, she felt isolated. And in turn overdosed on Nembutal. But having all the talent she did, she never knew who she was. I dont either, i could live in penthouse, mansions, and still look out the window and not be satified with life. Money doesnt satify me. Fame would for a while, but then it gets on your nerves because you in the spotlight in everything you do.
Being the center of attetnion is great, but when you talk to people and not even know who you are. Its something else... i've got to find the person that i am. Not these made up images to fill in the emptyness, aka fakeness.
Posted by Phillipa on June 15, 2008, at 20:00:28
In reply to Marylin Monroe, posted by Sky Brite Line on May 31, 2008, at 11:08:06
Sounds like depression. First it's fun, then it's boredom and then its depression. Love Phillipa
Posted by bulldog2 on June 15, 2008, at 20:00:28
In reply to Marylin Monroe, posted by Sky Brite Line on May 31, 2008, at 11:08:06
> This woman was so geogrous and had all the fame, relationships in hollywood. But still after being the complete admiration of everyone, she felt isolated. And in turn overdosed on Nembutal. But having all the talent she did, she never knew who she was. I dont either, i could live in penthouse, mansions, and still look out the window and not be satified with life. Money doesnt satify me. Fame would for a while, but then it gets on your nerves because you in the spotlight in everything you do.
>
> Being the center of attetnion is great, but when you talk to people and not even know who you are. Its something else... i've got to find the person that i am. Not these made up images to fill in the emptyness, aka fakeness.
>
>Read Eckhart Tolle's "A New Earth" and you will understand who you are. There is nothing to find. You search for what does not exist.Are egos are false realities.happiness resides inside of you and not in material things.
Posted by Racer on June 15, 2008, at 20:00:28
In reply to Marylin Monroe, posted by Sky Brite Line on May 31, 2008, at 11:08:06
>i've got to find the person that i am. Not these made up images to fill in the emptyness, aka fakeness.
>
>That's a great thing to recognize. It's a task many people hope to accomplish, and recognizing that it might benefit you is the first and possibly biggest step towards reaching that goal.
What are you going to do about it now? How do you plan to act on this recognition? What do you think is your next step?
Good luck. I hope you reach your goal, and find satisfaction in it.
Posted by SLS on June 15, 2008, at 20:00:28
In reply to Marylin Monroe, posted by Sky Brite Line on May 31, 2008, at 11:08:06
You don't have to go searching to find yourself. Inside, you are there already. Now it's time to peel off the layers of the onion. These are your thoughts and feelings and behaviors that you know are counterproductive - that you know are not really you. This takes bravery. The layers are there to protect you from the outside world. However, they sequester you from yourself as well. The more layers you peel off, the closer your true self will be to your outside presentation. Remember to peel off only the negative layers. Many of the layers need to be there so to create healthy boundaries between you and your environment.
Are you uncomfortable with silence?
- Scott
Posted by bulldog2 on June 15, 2008, at 20:00:29
In reply to Re: Marylin Monroe » Sky Brite Line, posted by SLS on May 31, 2008, at 17:57:20
> You don't have to go searching to find yourself. Inside, you are there already. Now it's time to peel off the layers of the onion. These are your thoughts and feelings and behaviors that you know are counterproductive - that you know are not really you. This takes bravery. The layers are there to protect you from the outside world. However, they sequester you from yourself as well. The more layers you peel off, the closer your true self will be to your outside presentation. Remember to peel off only the negative layers. Many of the layers need to be there so to create healthy boundaries between you and your environment.
>
> Are you uncomfortable with silence?
>
>
> - ScottI don't know if we're saying the same thing in a different way. This book does have a spiritual component. Tolle talks about the ego which is programmed behavior..it composed of thoughts and emotions. Tolle talks about a certain life essence that gives our form life. He says we have to realize we're not the ego. Ego is a program we have created. tolle says we have to be able to detach ourselves from the ego and just feel our essence and be able to connect with the universe. Ego separates us from us from our spiritual component. That's why animals often live more in harmony with nature or some primitive cultures live a simple but happy life.I know this may sound strange so you might have to read the book and judge for yourself.
It's a life that's what native americans lived at one time. Very spiritual people that were very connected with their environment. Death was not feared because it was only the end of a physical body and the spirit lived on.
Posted by Sky Brite Line on June 15, 2008, at 20:00:29
In reply to Re: Marylin Monroe, posted by bulldog2 on May 31, 2008, at 18:27:38
Out in public (if im in a good mood) and become like a comic figure, even though i dont catch on to things. I still keep yaking, and then im like "wait, who am i impersonaiting?"
I've been in friend relationps and i dont know what happened. I dont know, but you know im going to look in the mirror, instead of having a booklet of people that i study, and say thats me. I'll deny at first, because i've always conisdered myself through so many ways. A diffrent persona for diffrent people. No wonder i cant hold relationships.
Marylin Monroe had a geogous figure to look at in the mirror, but still if you dont know who you are then, thats really bad.
Thanks all who wrote, i can't really respond like previous times.
SBL
Posted by Racer on June 15, 2008, at 20:00:32
In reply to Re: Marylin Monroe, posted by bulldog2 on May 31, 2008, at 18:27:38
> >
> Tolle talks about the ego which is programmed behavior..it composed of thoughts and emotions. Tolle talks about a certain life essence that gives our form life. He says we have to realize we're not the ego. Ego separates us from us from our spiritual component.
>
> It's a life that's what native americans lived at one time. Very spiritual people that were very connected with their environment.I'm very glad if you found this book helpful. When I read your first post, I felt a bit -- it's hard for me to put it into words, but I felt as though you were saying there was ONE path to the answer, and I resented that. That's only my reaction, and I may have been primed for that sort of thing based on what the last few days have brought in my life. Still, I know when I post here, I try to be careful not to say what someone should do -- only to suggest possibilities I think would be helpful. I do that to try to be sensitive to others who've found something else to be more helpful.
Also, be very careful of what you read about Native Americans. For many, many years we heard of how well integrated into their environment they were -- and there's a problem with that... For one thing, "Native American" is as specific as "Asian" or "Caucasian." There were many, many tribes, all of which had very different cultures and practices. Some tribes may have lived more spiritual lives, some may have lived in harmony with the natural world -- and it's now known that many tribes devastated their natural resources as completely as some groups do today. That idea of living in perfect harmony with nature is a myth, and it's not even a very old myth.
I hope you understand what I'm trying to say, because I'm very happy to hear you've found something you feel is helpful for you. I just don't like feeling as though something's wrong with me if it isn't helpful to me...
Peace.
Posted by bulldog2 on June 15, 2008, at 20:00:33
In reply to Re: Marilyn Monroe » bulldog2, posted by Racer on June 1, 2008, at 9:23:55
> > >
> > Tolle talks about the ego which is programmed behavior..it composed of thoughts and emotions. Tolle talks about a certain life essence that gives our form life. He says we have to realize we're not the ego. Ego separates us from us from our spiritual component.
> >
> > It's a life that's what native americans lived at one time. Very spiritual people that were very connected with their environment.
>
> I'm very glad if you found this book helpful. When I read your first post, I felt a bit -- it's hard for me to put it into words, but I felt as though you were saying there was ONE path to the answer, and I resented that. That's only my reaction, and I may have been primed for that sort of thing based on what the last few days have brought in my life. Still, I know when I post here, I try to be careful not to say what someone should do -- only to suggest possibilities I think would be helpful. I do that to try to be sensitive to others who've found something else to be more helpful.
>
> Also, be very careful of what you read about Native Americans. For many, many years we heard of how well integrated into their environment they were -- and there's a problem with that... For one thing, "Native American" is as specific as "Asian" or "Caucasian." There were many, many tribes, all of which had very different cultures and practices. Some tribes may have lived more spiritual lives, some may have lived in harmony with the natural world -- and it's now known that many tribes devastated their natural resources as completely as some groups do today. That idea of living in perfect harmony with nature is a myth, and it's not even a very old myth.
>
> I hope you understand what I'm trying to say, because I'm very happy to hear you've found something you feel is helpful for you. I just don't like feeling as though something's wrong with me if it isn't helpful to me...
>
> Peace.I'm sure there are many paths to the ultimate truth. What Tolle says may not work for some people. There are many other spiritual practices that give people peace. I just have a feeling that these paths lead to the same place. There are many practices that work to give people peace. But when I look at the stars at night I feel were all heading towards the same truth.
Posted by bulldog2 on June 15, 2008, at 20:00:33
In reply to Re: Marilyn Monroe » bulldog2, posted by Racer on June 1, 2008, at 9:23:55
> > >
> > Tolle talks about the ego which is programmed behavior..it composed of thoughts and emotions. Tolle talks about a certain life essence that gives our form life. He says we have to realize we're not the ego. Ego separates us from us from our spiritual component.
> >
> > It's a life that's what native americans lived at one time. Very spiritual people that were very connected with their environment.
>
> I'm very glad if you found this book helpful. When I read your first post, I felt a bit -- it's hard for me to put it into words, but I felt as though you were saying there was ONE path to the answer, and I resented that. That's only my reaction, and I may have been primed for that sort of thing based on what the last few days have brought in my life. Still, I know when I post here, I try to be careful not to say what someone should do -- only to suggest possibilities I think would be helpful. I do that to try to be sensitive to others who've found something else to be more helpful.
>
> Also, be very careful of what you read about Native Americans. For many, many years we heard of how well integrated into their environment they were -- and there's a problem with that... For one thing, "Native American" is as specific as "Asian" or "Caucasian." There were many, many tribes, all of which had very different cultures and practices. Some tribes may have lived more spiritual lives, some may have lived in harmony with the natural world -- and it's now known that many tribes devastated their natural resources as completely as some groups do today. That idea of living in perfect harmony with nature is a myth, and it's not even a very old myth.
>
> I hope you understand what I'm trying to say, because I'm very happy to hear you've found something you feel is helpful for you. I just don't like feeling as though something's wrong with me if it isn't helpful to me...
>
> Peace.In the end whatever works for you and anyone else is the truth. Hopefully your path will give you peace and happiness.
Posted by B2chica on June 15, 2008, at 20:00:33
In reply to Re: Marylin Monroe, posted by Sky Brite Line on May 31, 2008, at 20:52:00
i think many of us do that to a degree in public. at least i know i do. i become this smiles and happy person...well, actually i feel i become what THAT person needs (whomever i'm talking to at the time). mostly because i'm sad inside and i've become so accostomed to hiding that. so i take on what i think other people want to see, or what they need.
i think i'm finally starting to get to the point of being a little honest about how i'm feeling. but its still very hard.
and my heart aches for poor Marylin. i think she got abused by so many men in the Hollywood 'system' it was terrible. i think all she really wanted was just to be loved and truly accepted for who she was. and the men (at that time) couldn't handle it.
(no offense to the men here, now)
IMHO
b2c.
Posted by bulldog2 on June 15, 2008, at 20:00:33
In reply to Re: Marylin Monroe » Sky Brite Line, posted by B2chica on June 2, 2008, at 8:15:02
> i think many of us do that to a degree in public. at least i know i do. i become this smiles and happy person...well, actually i feel i become what THAT person needs (whomever i'm talking to at the time). mostly because i'm sad inside and i've become so accostomed to hiding that. so i take on what i think other people want to see, or what they need.
>
> i think i'm finally starting to get to the point of being a little honest about how i'm feeling. but its still very hard.
>
> and my heart aches for poor Marylin. i think she got abused by so many men in the Hollywood 'system' it was terrible. i think all she really wanted was just to be loved and truly accepted for who she was. and the men (at that time) couldn't handle it.
>
> (no offense to the men here, now)
> IMHO
> b2c.she was murdered.
Posted by B2chica on June 15, 2008, at 20:00:34
In reply to Re: Marylin Monroe, posted by bulldog2 on June 2, 2008, at 12:47:16
actually murder...i used to believe that,
but the more learned,
now i believe that she most likely took the pills herself, but someone might as well shoved them down her throat. because i do believe that it was in a sense murder. i think she felt she had no way out.b2c.
Posted by Dade on June 15, 2008, at 20:00:34
In reply to Re: Marylin Monroe » bulldog2, posted by B2chica on June 3, 2008, at 11:38:49
Maryil died from "acute Barbiturate poisoining".
Nembutal 100mg caps (Pentobarbitol) the most toxic of the Seconal, Amytal, Tuinal, Barbs scripted at the time.
Whether she took them herself or was administered them remains hersey.
The fact remains that ONLY [xxx], yellow, 100mg Nembutals (the most potent Barbiturate) is sufficent for the job.
Posted by B2chica on June 15, 2008, at 20:03:46
In reply to , posted by on December 31, 1969, at 18:00:00
i know what you are saying. and my do you know your Marilyn history..goodness.
and i think the amazing woman did take them herself but what i'm saying is the pressures she was getting from those she THOUGHT were her friends, colleagues etc.(and maybe others) is what made her feel so lost and USED. like she had no way out. when all she really wanted was to be loved and to have a family. that she wrote about time and time again. and time and again those she chose to bring into her heart turned on her in terrible ways.
that this particular "suicide" did seem more like a murder than a suicide mostly because of who the very influential people were.but also, thanks for the tips.
can i still get Nembutal?
Posted by Dr. Bob on June 15, 2008, at 20:08:33
In reply to Re: Marylin Monroe, posted by Dade on June 15, 2008, at 20:00:34
> ONLY [xxx], yellow, 100mg Nembutals ... is sufficent for the job.
Please be careful not to post information that could (even if you don't want it to) be used to harm oneself. Thanks,
Bob
Posted by 64bowtie on June 16, 2008, at 2:36:42
In reply to Marylin Monroe, posted by Sky Brite Line on June 15, 2008, at 20:00:27
» Sky Brite Line »
...as my Mammy used to say, "Do good for others"... Then she would add, "While doing good things for others, you discover your stride and with your stride, you'll find yourself"...
Thanks to her, I have found my world full of options... Yes, I did the work, but she lived up to her motherly imperative and nurtured me and my work in the direction it has taken me...
I have plenty more of my own to say about the "SELF"... This will do for now...
Rod
PS: Looking and/or carrying yourself in the likes of Marilyn Monroe, can produce a life of emptiness and sadly missed expectations... A past love affair was with such a woman, who everyone remarked that her teenage pictures reminded them of Marilyn, who grew up in the shadow of the Marilyn Monroe Mystique in the Hollywood area, now carrying the scars of a failed life full of failed opportunities and failed rehabs... She was only 17 when Marilyn was poisoned and died, but in 1962, the air was still very much full of Marilyn and her magical influence... Scary how this story repeats itself...
Posted by Phillipa on June 16, 2008, at 12:02:28
In reply to » Sky Brite Line » Re: Marylin Monroe, posted by 64bowtie on June 16, 2008, at 2:36:42
Wasn't there a lot of controversy with one of our past Presidents having an affair with her and that there were hidden circumstances reguarding her death. Oh course no one will every know. Sad about Marily yes she was Beautiful but in the End her life ended. wonder what she'd be doing now. How old would she be? Love Phillipa
Posted by gardenergirl on June 16, 2008, at 14:13:28
In reply to Re: » 64bowtie, posted by Phillipa on June 16, 2008, at 12:02:28
> Wasn't there a lot of controversy with one of our past Presidents having an affair with her and that there were hidden circumstances reguarding her death. Oh course no one will every know. Sad about Marily yes she was Beautiful but in the End her life ended. wonder what she'd be doing now. How old would she be? Love Phillipa
Just when I thought I'd heard everything....
gg
Posted by Gabbee on June 16, 2008, at 16:19:47
In reply to Re: » 64bowtie, posted by Phillipa on June 16, 2008, at 12:02:28
Yes, she had an affair with JFK, also with Bobby Kennedy. The affair with JFK was an it's no-secret type secret. The reason that there was controversy over the way she died was because she'd threatened to go public about the affairs
and her knowledge of presidential Mafia connections (She had a little dog named Mafi)and "Blow the Lid off the Whole Thing" her words, a week before she died.I think it was suicide, but when it comes to any politicians, especially the Kennedy family, I certainly can't say "There's no way they'd ever do that" far from it.
Posted by Phillipa on June 16, 2008, at 20:02:44
In reply to Re: Marilyn Monroe » Phillipa, posted by Gabbee on June 16, 2008, at 16:19:47
I was afraid to use their names. Didn't know she was going public with it though. Wow the controversy. I've read maybe someone hired? Who knows? Phillipa
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