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Posted by Spoc on March 31, 2005, at 14:52:38
In reply to Re: Strivectin? » Spoc, posted by rainbowbrite on March 31, 2005, at 13:25:20
> Wow Thanks Spoc!!
> I thought there was talk on those products not being safe but it sounds like no...cool!No, like many things in life, especially things as subjective as beauty products, of course you will hear a lot of opinions. That's why it's good to try to stick with things that also have fact behind them, and NOT just from the sometimes impressive-sounding "data" or research of the manufacturer!!!!!
It can be hard researching this stuff and knowing what is reliable, so I'll mention one site that is pretty easy to use, and if you're not too familiar with evaluating info that you get in ordinary Google type searches, will help keep you on track more than just doing that. It isn't totally unbiased because things are sold there, but it's better than most. The woman behind it has a scientific background I think (it says), and she comments on whether many products actually do anything permanent/worthwhile or not: cosmeticscop.com. Look at the Q&A on the main page, and also under Learn > Product Reviews.
>> So I should post this on that site but Im here so Ill ask you anyway lol- is it safe for me to use now, before I really get them...Im 28?
Oh for sure!!! The earlier you start, the better! Tretinoin is something we should use our entire lives. Some people are what's called retinoid intolerant, and these products will irritate their skin too much, but it isn't that common. Note that when you first begin, you'll probably suffer through flaking that at the least makes it hard to get makeup on right, but it's worth it.
You may hear some people say that they think it's bad because they "swear" it thins their skin, but that is... b.s. Also, it is true that a small percentage of people will get some tiny broken capillaries from it, but that's not common at all and actually can be fixed with a certain type of laser. Don't be scared by any of that, tretinoin is wayyyyy safe and documented, and we hear potential bad things about everything.
Note that you CAN use it, carefully, all the way to your lash lines and it will help immensely there (may take months). Many people don't know that or will argue it.
You have to be SUPER sure to use strong sunscreen if not block while using it, especially at first when using it daily.
Most of the raves lately seem to be about a formulation called Retin-A Micro, that is supposed to do just as much good with less flaking and irritation. But my very respected derm, and pharmacist, don't think it's necessary (costs even more). I use a generic .1% that costs about $40 per 20 gram tube.
Ohh! I am not good with numbers, I had my percentages wrong before. It's a strength of at least .05, but preferrably .1, that you want to use.
Another product that seems to be proven combines, I think, a retinoid with something else effective. It's called Avage. As far as the copper peptides, I really don't know what the bottom line on those is yet or if there is one. Last I paid attention in the fall, it looked like maybe it was going to end up ranking as credible. But, it causes a lot of irritation, puffiness and other not-fun things in almost everyone as they get used to it. Lest you've suffered reason not to, I say go with tretinoin (which is a retinoid, to add more terms to make your head spin but hopefully help you be familiar with lingo you'll see).
Hmmm, problem with you going to the sites I mention is that you may get overloaded with other ideas. I'd really recommend that to start with, you just call your derm or maybe even another doc you already have and ask for an rx for tretinoin. If you want to go for the gold, also mention the Obagi Nu Derm program, most derms are familiar with it. Or, as this is one of the main other products in that program, also ask for an rx of hydroquinone 4%. (Tell me if you talk to a derm and decide to do the Obagi program. Many sell it out of their offices -- it isn't available in the drugstore, but only the tretinoin part is rx. So anyway they may try to sell you the whole line but it isn't really necessary.)
You can also get any of this stuff online. It costs more that way, although you save a consult fee if you don't have a derm yet. But again, you have to be good at evaluating sites or you may get ripped off.
>>> BTW I suffer from rugaphobia..;-) I think I just made that up LOL
Right over my head! Sounds more like a fear of losing your hair, or growing too much of it! ;-)
>> HAHAHA But you are a fountain of information :-P
Ok fine then, I'll just abandon my goal of someday returning to being more than brain hemispheres sitting on a chair, and hang around here! ;-)
SShhhh! I wouldn't want to become known as the Larry Hoover of beauty products!
Posted by Jai Narayan on March 31, 2005, at 19:00:09
In reply to My goodness.... » Spoc, posted by kid47 on March 31, 2005, at 13:24:58
> PS I use Retin-A. (My face is smooth as a baby's butt.)
so do you have to deal with the butt crack too?
Ja*, the naughty
Posted by rainbowbrite on March 31, 2005, at 19:54:04
In reply to Re: Strivectin? » rainbowbrite, posted by Spoc on March 31, 2005, at 14:52:38
> No, like many things in life, especially things as subjective as beauty products, of course you will hear a lot of opinions. That's why it's good to try to stick with things that also have fact behind them, and NOT just from the sometimes impressive-sounding "data" or research of the manufacturer!!!!!
they do a really good job of impressing me!! :-P
> It can be hard researching this stuff and knowing what is reliable, so I'll mention one site that is pretty easy to use, and if you're not too familiar with evaluating info that you get in ordinary Google type searches, will help keep you on track more than just doing that. It isn't totally unbiased because things are sold there, but it's better than most. The woman behind it has a scientific background I think (it says), and she comments on whether many products actually do anything permanent/worthwhile or not: cosmeticscop.com. Look at the Q&A on the main page, and also under Learn > Product Reviews.
you have such great sites..It is so confusing when trying to figure stuff out, I wasw certain that strivectin was good :-P maybe it was all the celebrity hype :-)
> Oh for sure!!! The earlier you start, the better! Tretinoin is something we should use our entire lives. Some people are what's called retinoid intolerant, and these products will irritate their skin too much, but it isn't that common. Note that when you first begin, you'll probably suffer through flaking that at the least makes it hard to get makeup on right, but it's worth it.I get really red from certain products but Im sure I dont have an intolerance.
> You may hear some people say that they think it's bad because they "swear" it thins their skin, but that is... b.s. Also, it is true that a small percentage of people will get some tiny broken capillaries from it, but that's not common at all and actually can be fixed with a certain type of laser. Don't be scared by any of that, tretinoin is wayyyyy safe and documented, and we hear potential bad things about everything.
I had heard about the thinning skin and leaving you more vulnerable to skin cancer. ive never heard of tretinoin though...Im thinking of AHA I think...alot of names lol
> Most of the raves lately seem to be about a formulation called Retin-A Micro, that is supposed to do just as much good with less flaking and irritation. But my very respected derm, and pharmacist, don't think it's necessary (costs even more). I use a generic .1% that costs about $40 per 20 gram tube.
cheaper than strivectin!
> Another product that seems to be proven combines, I think, a retinoid with something else effective. It's called Avage. As far as the copper peptides, I really don't know what the bottom line on those is yet or if there is one. Last I paid attention in the fall, it looked like maybe it was going to end up ranking as credible. But, it causes a lot of irritation, puffiness and other not-fun things in almost everyone as they get used to it. Lest you've suffered reason not to, I say go with tretinoin (which is a retinoid, to add more terms to make your head spin but hopefully help you be familiar with lingo you'll see).i feel dizzy lol
> Hmmm, problem with you going to the sites I mention is that you may get overloaded with other ideas.
Yup it happened! I ventured out of skin care into plastic surgery lol...boob job...sigh
>I'd really recommend that to start with, you just call your derm or maybe even another doc you already have and ask for an rx for tretinoin. If you want to go for the gold, also mention the Obagi Nu Derm program, most derms are familiar with it. Or, as this is one of the main other products in that program, also ask for an rx of hydroquinone 4%. (Tell me if you talk to a derm and decide to do the Obagi program. Many sell it out of their offices -- it isn't available in the drugstore, but only the tretinoin part is rx. So anyway they may try to sell you the whole line but it isn't really necessary.)
I am going to go to a derm, it may take ahile to get into the one I want to go to but I will let you know. Im going to have to print this out lol
> You can also get any of this stuff online. It costs more that way, although you save a consult fee if you don't have a derm yet. But again, you have to be good at evaluating sites or you may get ripped off.
i suck at evaluating sites...Im better to go to a derm
> Right over my head! Sounds more like a fear of losing your hair, or growing too much of it! ;-)i searched a latin dictionary for the word wrinkle and ruga is 'a wrinkle' LOL so you take the latin word and add it to phobia and thats how we get all our phobias :-P
> Ok fine then, I'll just abandon my goal of someday returning to being more than brain hemispheres sitting on a chair, and hang around here! ;-)
>
> SShhhh! I wouldn't want to become known as the Larry Hoover of beauty products!lol
Posted by Spoc on March 31, 2005, at 22:23:43
In reply to Re: Strivectin? » Spoc, posted by rainbowbrite on March 31, 2005, at 19:54:04
> > You may hear some people say that they think it's bad because they "swear" it thins their skin, but that is... b.s.
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> I had heard about the thinning skin and leaving you more vulnerable to skin cancer. ive never heard of tretinoin though...Im thinking of AHA I think...alot of names lol
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It's easy to see where people could use overly simple logic to arrive at the skin thinning thing: it does slough off skin, big time! But, first, as we know that is generally a good thing, for refreshing it in various ways. And second, tretinoin is one of the only products proven by *unbiased* medical science to cause cell regeneration and stimulate collagen growth. So it is *improving* the generation of new skin cells, not stripping them away and somehow keeping them from growing back!Regarding the skin cancer thing, as far as I know that relates only to the fact that you do have to be much more careful to use sunscreens and blocks; not that it's thought to possibly *cause* skin cancer.
AHAs can irritate or sting, and some people (as with any substance) may have reactions to it. But it is harmless, doesn't do anything permanent, either good or bad. Is good stuff, but just clears and brightens your skin while you use it, can't work deep enough to cause wrinkle reduction, or give continued benefits more than a week or two from when you stop using it or getting peels with it.
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> i suck at evaluating sites...Im better to go to a derm... it may take ahile to get into the one I want to go to but I will let you know. Im going to have to print this out lol
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Some derms also have an aesthetician working in their office, that's nice. Aestheticians (sometimes spelled esthetician) sometimes know more more about current products being raved (and "mis-raved") about than derms. (Can you see a doc flipping through Cosmo to try to stay on top of all the exaggerating and hype, lol.) Derms often stick with things that there is actual research behind already, and more medical and prescription stuff. Someone like an aesthetician can often answer a question like the Strivectin one better, the derm may not bother following all the nutty commotion until there is unbiased science behind something.But aestheticians working by themselves can be as hard to evaluate as a beauty website, because they do SELL products, and don't have the same standards of proof for them that a doc would. So the perfect combo is to see one who works from a derm's office (or a plastic surgeon's), to get the best of both worlds.
Aestheticians, working alone or with a derm, often do some "lesser" procedures, like the lighter peels and some less invasive lasers, and microdermabrasion. (The latter treatments are thought too expensive for the results they can give, unless you have a lot of spare dough, btw.)
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> i searched a latin dictionary for the word wrinkle and ruga is 'a wrinkle' LOL so you take the latin word and add it to phobia and thats how we get all our phobias :-P
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GOOD ONE!!! I think I'll go create some syndromes for myself, none of the ones I've tried fit well enough!Ok I'll stop talking if you'll stop not meaning to ask me anything but getting me going anyway, lol! ;-)
Posted by rainbowbrite on April 1, 2005, at 13:03:16
In reply to Re: Strivectin? » rainbowbrite, posted by Spoc on March 31, 2005, at 22:23:43
> It's easy to see where people could use overly simple logic to arrive at the skin thinning thing: it does slough off skin, big time! But, first, as we know that is generally a good thing, for refreshing it in various ways. And second, tretinoin is one of the only products proven by *unbiased* medical science to cause cell regeneration and stimulate collagen growth. So it is *improving* the generation of new skin cells, not stripping them away and somehow keeping them from growing back!
Very Cool Im Xcited!
> AHAs can irritate or sting, and some people (as with any substance) may have reactions to it. But it is harmless, doesn't do anything permanent, either good or bad. Is good stuff, but just clears and brightens your skin while you use it, can't work deep enough to cause wrinkle reduction, or give continued benefits more than a week or two from when you stop using it or getting peels with it.Ok I have to run and check soemthing....my memory is trying to tell me soemthinig...I think i have some of this stuff....brb....OK it is something called reversa with glocolic acid and matrixyl. I got it from a party I went to. I was afraid to use it, still not sure what it is but it sounds like it is in the same family.
> Some derms also have an aesthetician working in their office, that's nice. Aestheticians (sometimes spelled esthetician) sometimes know more more about current products being raved (and "mis-raved") about than derms. (Can you see a doc flipping through Cosmo to try to stay on top of all the exaggerating and hype, lol.) Derms often stick with things that there is actual research behind already, and more medical and prescription stuff. Someone like an aesthetician can often answer a question like the Strivectin one better, the derm may not bother following all the nutty commotion until there is unbiased science behind something.
Mine is on his own, but I think he may read cosmo lol he is all up on womens fashions and stuff its hilarious. I could check around for another one, I know my mom goes to one that has one along side the doc.
> But aestheticians working by themselves can be as hard to evaluate as a beauty website, because they do SELL products, and don't have the same standards of proof for them that a doc would. So the perfect combo is to see one who works from a derm's office (or a plastic surgeon's), to get the best of both worlds.
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> Aestheticians, working alone or with a derm, often do some "lesser" procedures, like the lighter peels and some less invasive lasers, and microdermabrasion. (The latter treatments are thought too expensive for the results they can give, unless you have a lot of spare dough, btw.)Yeha i think Id wait on spending a fortune on this stuff till I really need it. My fear is that I will use it now and then it wont be effective later, but it sounds like it just helps more to use the creams early.
> GOOD ONE!!! I think I'll go create some syndromes for myself, none of the ones I've tried fit well enough!
Thanks, I was feeling pretty proud of my self. I think I may try to create more as well lol
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> Ok I'll stop talking if you'll stop not meaning to ask me anything but getting me going anyway, lol! ;-)Ill try Spoc...but I cant promise anything LOL
PS-you said you murdered your computer? Well, can I hire you for a hit job on mine?
Posted by Spoc on April 1, 2005, at 14:31:52
In reply to Re: Strivectin? » Spoc, posted by rainbowbrite on April 1, 2005, at 13:03:16
(AHAs)
> Ok I have to run and check soemthing....my memory is trying to tell me soemthinig...I think i have some of this stuff....brb....OK it is something called reversa with glocolic acid and matrixyl. I got it from a party I went to. I was afraid to use it, still not sure what it is but it sounds like it is in the same family.
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Don't let the word "acid" scare you, btw! What AHAs do is clear off very superficial layers of dead skin, and dissolve oils to clear pores. It will sting a little, especially if you have any abrasions already (avoid those areas if so). The stinging is fine, not in itself a sign of a reaction or anything, and goes away in seconds.Actually I have a brand called MD Forte (facial lotion), that comes in strengths of 10 to 30 percent. It is cloudy, and thin like water, and has no moisturizers in it (I like those best, to use in conjunction with whatever else I use without doubling and tripling up on moisturizers). Sometimes when I am too lazy to wash my face, but don't want oils building up, I just pat on a few dots of it and it seems to be almost as "cleansing" as washing my face. (Of course it wouldn't remove all your makeup well enough if you had it on, but it would still help a ton to keep it from melting into your pores, say if you got lazy and slept with makeup on.)
That product is available in many derm offices, or I get it -- along with other nonprescription products that I like -- at a site called skinstore.com. Good selection and a reliable site (but don't listen to what they say works! ;-). There are also user reviews posted there, but don't listen to them either, unless they sound like me, lol.
<groan> I'm compelled to throw this in: if you want a great daily moisturizer that has also been shown to cause cellular turnover, get Kinerase lotion or cream. It doesn't cause as much cell turnover as tretinoin, but does so without causing *any* flaking or irritation at all. And amongst other things, it may be better for summer because you don't need to stay out of the sun or use sunblock with it (though of course we should all watch that kind of thing anyway).
Now here's the clincher missy: IT IS BELOVED BY THE STARS!!! Brad and Jennifer buy it by the case (and I'm sure they still do, albeit now going to separate mailing addresses)!!
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> Mine is on his own, but I think he may read cosmo lol he is all up on womens fashions and stuff its hilarious. I could check around for another one, I know my mom goes to one that has one along side the doc.
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Yeah, sounds like if he's like that you're all set. It's just nice to have a doc who is at least as familiar with various product frenzies as the typical layperson, or else we may be disappointed and start to wonder if s/he's informed enough. Many will just take the position that everything is junk or junk science, until it is studied without bias (usually meaning without any manufacturer or seller involvement). Which most "revolutionary" products that are actually effective eventually will be, so their reasoning is ok IMO.I'd rather wait, because unless we're rich it isn't so "ok" to just go ahead and try all these zillion dollar products. And as far as claims of actual physiological skin improvements, most of us really can't trust ourselves to evaluate whether something is working. The "placebo" effect and yearning to believe, and to look better, is just too strong here. (I could launch into whether making us feel good, even if only by placebo effect, may indeed be good enough reason to use a product, but will control myself!)
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> Yeha i think Id wait on spending a fortune on this stuff till I really need it. My fear is that I will use it now and then it wont be effective later,
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Hmmm, interesting, I don't know if that is true or not. My guess would be that in reality, it would just be because if you never used them and then suddenly did later in life, you'd be able to see a "bigger bang" immediately. Rather than have benefit and "prevention" happening slowly all along. Now, when it comes to plastic surgery of some "anti-aging" types (e.g. facelift), starting TOO young may invalidate better benefits later (but actually that manages to get debated too).
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> but it sounds like it just helps more to use the creams early.
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Yeah, that's all you really need right now to keep you where you should be, so why not enjoy this relatively inexpensive era! You just want to keep dead skin stripped off and your pores unclogged all along, but things like trentinoin, AHA and maybe occasional other home exfoliation will do that sufficiently.> Ill try Spoc...but I cant promise anything LOL
Now would you PLEASE stop NOT asking me anything, lol. (I AM kidding, you really are not asking me anything! ;)
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> PS-you said you murdered your computer? Well, can I hire you for a hit job on mine?
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Hmmm, ok! But let's make this is clean as possible: I know some GREAT free programs for you to download off the Internet, lol! One is at www.pretendthisprogramisusefulbutinfectmycomputer.com.
Posted by Spoc on April 1, 2005, at 14:34:11
In reply to Re: Strivectin? » rainbowbrite, posted by Spoc on April 1, 2005, at 14:31:52
Posted by Spoc on April 1, 2005, at 14:35:03
In reply to Re: FYI, AHA acid is just fruit acid, = acidic (nm), posted by Spoc on April 1, 2005, at 14:34:11
Posted by TamaraJ on April 1, 2005, at 15:17:04
In reply to Re: Strivectin? » Spoc, posted by rainbowbrite on April 1, 2005, at 13:03:16
Ok, this is going to sound absolutely gross, but my ex sister-in-law's grandmother has used Preparation H (yes, the stuff for hemmies) as wrinkle cream at night, and had been doing so for years. Sounds disgusting, but it is no joke! And, at about 60, she had beautiful skin, with barely a wrinkle. I haven't tried it (yet), but who knows - maybe one day . . . soon.
Posted by kid47 on April 1, 2005, at 15:33:06
In reply to Re: Helppp meee I'm a maniac ;-) (nm), posted by Spoc on April 1, 2005, at 14:35:03
Tsk tsk tsk. Spoc my dearest, the fact that your'e a maniac, goes of course without saying. We who know you have been aware of this condition for quite some time. It is a miraculous breakthrough that you have finally come to terms with this lovely disorder. I believe it is the maniac in you that is possibly your most appealing attribute. You are sooo much more entertaining when you slip off the edge into the abyss of your usually well disguised craziness. You lose the hum drum, no fun, stay off the internet, hard working, semi responsible, too serious for your own good attitude, and morph into the smart elicky(you'd think I of all people would know how to spell that), witty, incredibly sexy and just down right party girl we have all grown to love here at babble. So rather than try and help you with this pesky brain chemistry problem, I would be, although it is somewhat self serving on my part, more inclined to encourage this gentler form of insanity to hold you hostage for as long as possible or at least until the cops show up. Our mutual friend and muse KK seems to of fallen off the planet. Actually I heard she has relocated to Guam and is currently running for some political office there, which I have no doubt she will win by a landslide.....so it is a truly magnificent thing that you have decided to make this ever so timely appearence for your throngs of admirers here in Babble land. Please continue to stay crazy and bless us with your skewed insights and sometimes frightening prophecy. Have a perfect day!!!
Your April fool
kid
Posted by Spoc on April 1, 2005, at 15:33:31
In reply to Re: Strivectin? » rainbowbrite, posted by TamaraJ on April 1, 2005, at 15:17:04
That is also a "models' secret" for diminishing undereye puffiness! I have tried it (definitely prefer the gel to the creme). It would seem to help at least a smidge, although that could have due to the "massage" of reapplying it a few times on bad mornings. At the least I don't think it's harmful, long as you keep it out of your eyes. This tip has been out there forever and I think it's been "looked at" for potential hazards. I *think.*
And whew! Thank goodness you posted because I forgot to say one more thing: rainbowbrite, when you first start using an AHA, if it's a highish strength one especially (approx. 10% + I think), your skin may feel tight for a few days. This does not mean it is drying it out in some bad way, it's just taking off the dead layer, and your skin will be glowier soon.
(Aaah, I can breathe again.)
Posted by rainbowbrite on April 1, 2005, at 15:34:07
In reply to Re: Strivectin? » rainbowbrite, posted by TamaraJ on April 1, 2005, at 15:17:04
HI TAMARA!! :-P
Ive heard of it being used for bags under eyes but wrinkles?.....I would do it for sure!! Well if there are any celebreites using it I may be more inclined to LMFAO
Thanks Ill check that sitemedia gullible rain (kidding of course...I would never ever get sold like that)
OMG did you hear that gweneth paltrow is using ............HAHA just kidding :-P
Posted by rainbowbrite on April 1, 2005, at 15:36:34
In reply to Re: Strivectin? » TamaraJ, posted by Spoc on April 1, 2005, at 15:33:31
>>That is also a "models' secret" for diminishing undereye puffiness!
Than I must get it LOLthanks for the warning. knowing me Id call 911 or soemthing LOL
Posted by TamaraJ on April 1, 2005, at 15:39:52
In reply to Re: Strivectin? » TamaraJ, posted by rainbowbrite on April 1, 2005, at 15:34:07
And, man, doesn't she look good !!! :-)
I'm kidding, of course.
Posted by Spoc on April 1, 2005, at 15:42:39
In reply to Re: Helppp meee I'm a maniac ;-) » Spoc, posted by kid47 on April 1, 2005, at 15:33:06
Posted by rainbowbrite on April 1, 2005, at 15:50:01
In reply to Re: Strivectin? » rainbowbrite, posted by Spoc on April 1, 2005, at 14:31:52
There are also user reviews posted there, but don't listen to them either, unless they sound like me, lol.LMAO
> <groan> I'm compelled to throw this in: if you want a great daily moisturizer that has also been shown to cause cellular turnover, get Kinerase lotion or cream. It doesn't cause as much cell turnover as tretinoin, but does so without causing *any* flaking or irritation at all. And amongst other things, it may be better for summer because you don't need to stay out of the sun or use sunblock with it (though of course we should all watch that kind of thing anyway).
Ok Im a little confused now :S. you know the stuff I meantioned the R stuff? well is that similar to what you are saying? I am easily overwhelmed lol So your advice is to get the Kinerase lotion to start? I think I like the idea of n o face dandruff. hehe
> Now here's the clincher missy: IT IS BELOVED BY THE STARS!!! Brad and Jennifer buy it by the case (and I'm sure they still do, albeit now going to separate mailing addresses)!!
hmmm really? Ok im sold, but becasue of the no face dandruff lol
> I'd rather wait, because unless we're rich it isn't so "ok" to just go ahead and try all these zillion dollar products. And as far as claims of actual physiological skin improvements, most of us really can't trust ourselves to evaluate whether something is working. The "placebo" effect and yearning to believe, and to look better, is just too strong here. (I could launch into whether making us feel good, even if only by placebo effect, may indeed be good enough reason to use a product, but will control myself!)Wait you mean....that self tanner I just bought for $200 that says i will stay tanned forever may not really be a forever thing...ill only *think* I am tanned. hmmm?
> Yeah, that's all you really need right now to keep you where you should be, so why not enjoy this relatively inexpensive era! You just want to keep dead skin stripped off and your pores unclogged all along, but things like trentinoin, AHA and maybe occasional other home exfoliation will do that sufficiently.see above lol, is it the K lotion I should use?
> Now would you PLEASE stop NOT asking me anything, lol. (I AM kidding, you really are not asking me anything! ;)HAHAHA BUt I am now lol or am I a placebo effect...maybe you think.....Im not asking questions but I really am, or maybe I am asking questions but you think Im not....oh dear Spoc I am very confused now :-P
> Hmmm, ok! But let's make this is clean as possible: I know some GREAT free programs for you to download off the Internet, lol! One is at www.pretendthisprogramisusefulbutinfectmycomputer.com.I typed that into my address line and then had a panic attack!! What if it does soemthing to my computer and I change my mind about murdering it!! LOL
Posted by rainbowbrite on April 1, 2005, at 15:50:45
In reply to I think Joan Rivers has used it for years LMFAO! » rainbowbrite, posted by TamaraJ on April 1, 2005, at 15:39:52
Posted by rainbowbrite on April 1, 2005, at 15:52:20
In reply to Re: Strivectin? » Spoc, posted by rainbowbrite on April 1, 2005, at 15:50:01
buy $200 self tanner and believe that....just to clarify :-P
Posted by Spoc on April 1, 2005, at 16:33:54
In reply to Re: Strivectin? » Spoc, posted by rainbowbrite on April 1, 2005, at 15:50:01
> Ok Im a little confused now :S. you know the stuff I meantioned the R stuff? well is that similar to what you are saying? I am easily overwhelmed lol
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The stuff you mentioned, Reversa. I'm soooo sorry to hear that on your first try, there was no info on it available at that site I gave you!... my name is SPOC, not SPOT, as in FETCH! lollolololololololol!!!
Anyhoo, yes it has an AHA, and it is glycolic acid which is about the best, and looks like it is a good product. I don't just base that on what old Paula the cosmetic cop says, but from the ingredients and percentages it looks good. You could go higher on percentages though and have even more freshening.
Oh and remember, AHAs will deep cleanse and refresh, but don't help remove or prevent wrinkles. Are good to use in conjunction with something nonirritating like Kinerase, or plain moisturizers. But if using in conjunction with something like tretinoin, you'll flake more and chances of irritation are greater.
That combo plus, optionally, hydroquinone (skin "bleach," but not actually bleach, and evens more than "bleaches") is what the Obagi Nu Derm program is pretty much composed of. But you probably don't need to get that aggressive yet, and if you're a chicken you may want to discuss the Obagi program with your derm before using it. (In fact they probably wouldn't sell it to you unless you did, I just mean one CAN get the components off the Internet.)
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> So your advice is to get the Kinerase lotion to start? I think I like the idea of n o face dandruff. hehe
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If that is what's most important to you, or you know it will be a hassle to be super careful in the summer (or during winter outdoor activities) about sunblocks, it would be better.As far as "dandruff" alone, even in winter, you could also just put on the tretinoin a couple times a week. And even when using it more often, most people's skin will acclimate after a few weeks and not flake much if at all anymore. Sooner or later it is good to get in the habit of using a retinoid. You could even use the .05% instead of the .1%, but no lower. Yes Kinerase is very good, just not nearly AS effective for cell turnover, but definitely better than just about any other product you might choose in lieu of a retinoid. At your age it really may be plenty for now.
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> Wait you mean....that self tanner I just bought for $200 that says i will stay tanned forever may not really be a forever thing...ill only *think* I am tanned. hmmm?
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Ok now that's cruel, you KNOW you could get me to write 67,000 words about why that is different (thank goodness I saw your 'just kidding' post before I got started)! ;-)
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www.pretendthisprogramisusefulbutinfectmycomputer.com.
>
> I typed that into my address line and then had a panic attack!! What if it does soemthing to my computer and I change my mind about murdering it!! LOL
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Ummm, I don't know where the hijinx end and the serious need for my stupefying wisdom begins, but just in case: TO ANYONE OUT THERE READING THIS: DO *NOT* TYPE THE ABOVE INTO YOUR BROWSER! I DO NOT IN FACT KNOW IF THERE IS ANYTHING THERE BUT IF SO I RATHER DOUBT IT WOULD BE GOOD. (But if you DO try it, don't keep me wondering, buy another computer and come on back to tell the tale!)
Posted by rainbowbrite on April 1, 2005, at 17:01:10
In reply to Re: Strivectin? » rainbowbrite, posted by Spoc on April 1, 2005, at 16:33:54
> The stuff you mentioned, Reversa. I'm soooo sorry to hear that on your first try, there was no info on it available at that site I gave you!
>
> http://www.cosmeticscop.com/learn/reviews.asp?bFlag=1&selCategory=00&selBrand=136&selRating=00&txtKeywords=
>
> http://www.cosmeticscop.com/learn/reviews.asp?bFlag=1&pos=1&selCategory=00&selBrand=00&selRating=00&keys=reversa&button1=Search+Product+Reviews
>
> ... my name is SPOC, not SPOT, as in FETCH! lollolololololololol!!!:-( sorry spot....oops I mean spoc lol
thanks> Anyhoo, yes it has an AHA, and it is glycolic acid which is about the best, and looks like it is a good product. I don't just base that on what old Paula the cosmetic cop says, but from the ingredients and percentages it looks good. You could go higher on percentages though and have even more freshening.
>
> Oh and remember, AHAs will deep cleanse and refresh, but don't help remove or prevent wrinkles. Are good to use in conjunction with something nonirritating like Kinerase, or plain moisturizers. But if using in conjunction with something like tretinoin, you'll flake more and chances of irritation are greater.
Ok cool gotta get to a derm now :-)> If that is what's most important to you, or you know it will be a hassle to be super careful in the summer (or during winter outdoor activities) about sunblocks, it would be better.
Yeah I worry about me and sunblock, every year I get I horrible horrible burn, so in a way my peeling skin is doing something similar to these products...you know I bet noone has looked into this yet?? I could be a zillionaire with this idea. and the rays from the sun may even do what lasers o...OMG Im so smart , im a genious...and that is how its spelt lol Fallen has argued with me on this one and ii win!
> As far as "dandruff" alone, even in winter, you could also just put on the tretinoin a couple times a week. And even when using it more often, most people's skin will acclimate after a few weeks and not flake much if at all anymore. Sooner or later it is good to get in the habit of using a retinoid. You could even use the .05% instead of the .1%, but no lower. Yes Kinerase is very good, just not nearly AS effective for cell turnover, but definitely better than just about any other product you might choose in lieu of a retinoid. At your age it really may be plenty for now.
yeah that sounds like a good plan
> Ok now that's cruel, you KNOW you could get me to write 67,000 words about why that is different (thank goodness I saw your 'just kidding' post before I got started)! ;-)haahhaha d*mn I shouldnt have posted my just kidding lol
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> Ummm, I don't know where the hijinx end and the serious need for my stupefying wisdom begins, but just in case: TO ANYONE OUT THERE READING THIS: DO *NOT* TYPE THE ABOVE INTO YOUR BROWSER! I DO NOT IN FACT KNOW IF THERE IS ANYTHING THERE BUT IF SO I RATHER DOUBT IT WOULD BE GOOD. (But if you DO try it, don't keep me wondering, buy another computer and come on back to tell the tale!)
>
I really belived something was there LMFAOI think my curiosity is going to kill me...my computer I should say...we'll see if I can contain it...nope prolly not :-P
I will let you know as soon as I get to a library what happens :-)
Posted by rainbowbrite on April 1, 2005, at 17:04:02
In reply to Re: Strivectin? » rainbowbrite, posted by Spoc on April 1, 2005, at 16:33:54
Im not a chicken I did it.....but nothing was there :-( It was safe.
i think I may take that address up as my own :-P
Posted by Spoc on April 1, 2005, at 17:33:21
In reply to I DID IT, posted by rainbowbrite on April 1, 2005, at 17:04:02
I am sorry to inform you that I am ALSO resisting the next landmine you attempted to plant in your field of temptations, the one about your plan to make zillions with a sunburn-promoting enterprise.
Of course you just *may* make zillions... Study up on the marketing techniques that have worked on you, and who will care what all those silly docs say! You could even settle for just a billion or a million. Too bad about all those lawsuits that would whip you to the other end of the spectrum! But, you could go underground and be living in an island paradise by then... Hmmm... on second thought can I come??
> I DID IT
That WOULD be the only one of the sites I gave you that you actually went to, lol!!!!!!!
THANK YOU AND GOOD NIGHT! ;-)
Posted by rainbowbrite on April 1, 2005, at 17:48:45
In reply to Re: Sorry, I'm a new woman now » rainbowbrite, posted by Spoc on April 1, 2005, at 17:33:21
>>I am sorry to inform you that I am ALSO resisting the next landmine you attempted to plant in your field of temptations, the one about your plan to make zillions with a sunburn-promoting enterprise
Of course you just *may* make zillions... Study up on the marketing techniques that have worked on you, and who will care what all those silly docs say! You could even settle for just a billion or a million. Too bad about all those lawsuits that would whip you to the other end of the spectrum! But, you could go underground and be living in an island paradise by then... Hmmm... on second thought can I come??I will see what I can do, millions would be ok but I think it is worth zillions
And yes absolutely you can come when I find out where Im going. :-)>>That WOULD be the only one of the sites I gave you that you actually went to, lol!!!!!!!
I posted on the 1st site, silly! I ended up on a detour in plastic surgery....
NIGHT!
Posted by Spoc on April 4, 2005, at 18:30:25
In reply to Re: Helppp meee I'm a maniac ;-) » Spoc, posted by kid47 on April 1, 2005, at 15:33:06
> Tsk tsk tsk.
Good news!!! I wanted to tell you that in real life, I am freely the
> entertaining... slipping off the edge... smart ALECKY, witty, incredibly sexy and just down right party girl (you) have grown to love
...and as such, even the
> hum drum... hard working, semi responsible, too serious
part seems to just come off as a balance-affording dimension coexisting with the other wackily good ones. However, note that I have sticken the "no fun" part completely; and will define any "hum drum" part exhibited here as those instances of my
> sometimes frightening prophecy
(You no doubt meant frightening in its accuracy.) Well, when I share these precious nuggets IRL, be assured that many SNL-worthy faces and gestures are usually going down right along with the prophecy.
------> Your April fool
> kidIt's still April and you're still a fool (for me, anyway ;), so yes, even today you're still my April fool.
Your April and beyond fool,
Spoc,
she of the weird and misleading posting name,
which sounds like something pointy,
or other-worldy (well, that could be true),
or male ("not that there's anything WRONG with that"),
or in need of swatting (let it go, it's too easy),
or that only occasionally wanders off the meds board
Posted by rainbowbrite on April 4, 2005, at 20:35:01
In reply to Re: Psssst, Kid! » kid47, posted by Spoc on April 4, 2005, at 18:30:25
you crack me up SPOC!! :-P
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