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Posted by Kristi on August 31, 2001, at 12:02:29
After the session... I was walking to my car and lit of a cigarette.
Posted by sar on September 1, 2001, at 8:43:40
In reply to Hynpotherapy--sar, posted by Kristi on August 31, 2001, at 12:02:29
> After the session... I was walking to my car and lit of a cigarette.
so i take it it's not a good investment? :) i wonder if there is something about the idea of being a "nonsmoker" that backfires...i think mair posted on this earlier, but it had to do with taking it one moment at a time and not jumping ahead to I AM A NON-SMOKER, OH NO! WOOHOO!
there is a famous old psychology experiment in which they put numerous people, one after one, into a room filled with food, all sorts of delicious sweet things, and told them "you can have anything you want, except the oreos." they filmed the people and sho nuff, they all hovered 'round the plate of oreos not knowing whether to indulge or not. some gave in and just gobbled 'em down. the theory was that if the psychologists had not mentioned the oreos, they wouldn't have been the "forbidden fruit," and the peeps would have just eaten a piece of chocolate cake or whatever else struck their fancy at that particular moment.
now that you've had the surgery (how did it go?!), is there any way you could have nicorette or the patch? they truly do help. i've smoked real cigs only once or twice in the past 2 and a half weeks thanks to this stuff. it's expensive as hell, but a good investment. i don't feel any better, but i went to a bar last night and realized this morning that my clothes *stink* of cig smoke! (i just smoked a couple of my non-smelly hippie herbals.)
hope you are well,
sar
Posted by Kristi on September 1, 2001, at 13:25:25
In reply to Re: Hynpotherapy--sar » Kristi, posted by sar on September 1, 2001, at 8:43:40
haha.... I'm sure it's a great investment for some. I remmeber during the actual hynosis treatement thinking "damn it, I never really had my final cig".... I think I may have blown it. The therapist was wonderful... I mean to have as just a regular therapist.
But... I bought an abundance of subliminal quitting smoking tapes(some you listen to while you are awake, some while you are asleep) and they really seem to be helping.... at least a little. Don't get me wrong. I stil crave that nasty little stick. I also think mair hit in on the head... how can you expect yourself to suddenly be a non smoker.
Altho... I heard an interesting story. This is getting long and I don't want to annoy you. A friend of mine went in for surgery.... general anasthesia.... and she was a pretty heavy smoker. When she came out... she asked her husband for a cigarette. He played the part well, acted confused... and said "Honey, you don't smoke".... in the meantime he had run hone and thru away all of her ash trays and cigs and whatnot. And she believed him. Wish something like that could happen to me. Talk about quitting one of the most difficult things in the world without even knowing.The surgery went ok. I'm used to em. Might be a success. Might be chronic. I'm told this everytime. It looks good right now... but there is a chance that as soon as it heals up inside, the lumps may return. Just a waiting game.
Good for you on going into a bar and smoking just the hippi herbals. Theirs some strength to be said there chica. Oh, by the way... I think the chico came from the drugs. I was on lortab, no anymore tho, valium, and my own added bonus of soma's. These occasional cigs you are throwing your way, I honestly believe they aren't hurting you..... I mean, think of all you did put into your body before... I think you are doing great.
So.... uh.... personal question here.... did you leave the bar alone? You don't need to answer. A huge part of my personality is my sarcasm.
Thanks for caring chica..... especially since you don't even know me. Take great care if yourself,
Kristi> > After the session... I was walking to my car and lit of a cigarette.
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> so i take it it's not a good investment? :) i wonder if there is something about the idea of being a "nonsmoker" that backfires...i think mair posted on this earlier, but it had to do with taking it one moment at a time and not jumping ahead to I AM A NON-SMOKER, OH NO! WOOHOO!
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> there is a famous old psychology experiment in which they put numerous people, one after one, into a room filled with food, all sorts of delicious sweet things, and told them "you can have anything you want, except the oreos." they filmed the people and sho nuff, they all hovered 'round the plate of oreos not knowing whether to indulge or not. some gave in and just gobbled 'em down. the theory was that if the psychologists had not mentioned the oreos, they wouldn't have been the "forbidden fruit," and the peeps would have just eaten a piece of chocolate cake or whatever else struck their fancy at that particular moment.
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> now that you've had the surgery (how did it go?!), is there any way you could have nicorette or the patch? they truly do help. i've smoked real cigs only once or twice in the past 2 and a half weeks thanks to this stuff. it's expensive as hell, but a good investment. i don't feel any better, but i went to a bar last night and realized this morning that my clothes *stink* of cig smoke! (i just smoked a couple of my non-smelly hippie herbals.)
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> hope you are well,
> sar
Posted by Mair on September 1, 2001, at 16:21:08
In reply to Re: Hynpotherapy--sar, posted by Kristi on September 1, 2001, at 13:25:25
> Hey you guys are doing a wonderful job of supporting one another which should help you both. I'm glad, Kristi, that you weathered the surgery ok. Sar, I can't believe you managed a trip to a bar without the real cigarettes! You should each feel great over every cigarette you decide not to have, but try not to saddle yourself with the "I should never smoke again" mentality. Just try to make alot of small conscious decisions like "I"m not going to smoke right now, but I might in an hour." I took this really long bike ride today - not something I normally (if ever) do. I was riding with a pretty experienced rider. She told me that when you're faced with a long hill, you should pick a spot maybe 20 yards distant and focus on it. When you reached that spot, pick another etc. I think that same mentality is what I'm talking about.
Sar - I was being conservative when I said my husband had been chewing nicorette for aver a year. I really think it's been about 3 at least. Alot of that time he was still smoking and he used the gum to cut down. I'm sure that's not advised. I'm also pretty sure he never bothered to listen to the tape so he just chews it like any other piece of gum. I'm convinced his nicotine addiction is worse because he usually uses the 4 mg. pieces and he was never more than a pack a day smoker. And it is a very expensive habit!! (I think he's told me that some of the generic kinds produced by chain stores like Brooks are cheaper and just as good) However, it's what works for him and I'm so glad he's not smoking anymore. Also, he's gotten much better about chewing unobtrusively when he's around me. His doc insists there's nothing dangerous about the gum.
Keep supporting one another. It's fun to watch from the sidelines. Don't sweat the ocassional slips. Persevere
Mair (formerly ksvt)
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Posted by Kristi on September 1, 2001, at 18:41:36
In reply to To Kristi and Sar - Keep it up, posted by Mair on September 1, 2001, at 16:21:08
Thanks.... for noticing. Your like me, I usually notice from the sidelines.
Hey Sar.... since your name is involved your probably reading this. The last 2 days I've been doing great on the non--smoking thing.
I got a couple of those sumbliminal message things that you listen to in your sleep,. which I imagine is like hypnosis. Last night I didn't get a lot of sleep. I planned it that way. I set my alarm for every 2 hours... so I can rewind and listen to one of the tapes again as I was falling asleep.
I don't know if it's in my head or not.... but the thought of a cigarette is disgusting. We'll see how long it last. Ha ha...... give it a shot... can't hurt.... you can get the tapes at like a barnes and noble type bookstore for $10.
Hope your doing ok. >
> Hey you guys are doing a wonderful job of supporting one another which should help you both. I'm glad, Kristi, that you weathered the surgery ok. Sar, I can't believe you managed a trip to a bar without the real cigarettes! You should each feel great over every cigarette you decide not to have, but try not to saddle yourself with the "I should never smoke again" mentality. Just try to make alot of small conscious decisions like "I"m not going to smoke right now, but I might in an hour." I took this really long bike ride today - not something I normally (if ever) do. I was riding with a pretty experienced rider. She told me that when you're faced with a long hill, you should pick a spot maybe 20 yards distant and focus on it. When you reached that spot, pick another etc. I think that same mentality is what I'm talking about.
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> Sar - I was being conservative when I said my husband had been chewing nicorette for aver a year. I really think it's been about 3 at least. Alot of that time he was still smoking and he used the gum to cut down. I'm sure that's not advised. I'm also pretty sure he never bothered to listen to the tape so he just chews it like any other piece of gum. I'm convinced his nicotine addiction is worse because he usually uses the 4 mg. pieces and he was never more than a pack a day smoker. And it is a very expensive habit!! (I think he's told me that some of the generic kinds produced by chain stores like Brooks are cheaper and just as good) However, it's what works for him and I'm so glad he's not smoking anymore. Also, he's gotten much better about chewing unobtrusively when he's around me. His doc insists there's nothing dangerous about the gum.
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> Keep supporting one another. It's fun to watch from the sidelines. Don't sweat the ocassional slips. Persevere
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> Mair (formerly ksvt)
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Posted by sar on September 2, 2001, at 0:40:55
In reply to Re: To Kristi and Sar - Keep it up, posted by Kristi on September 1, 2001, at 18:41:36
kristi,
congrats! i work at a bookstore so i should check to see if we have the subliminal tapes, i'm sure we do.
did i leave the bar alone? what kind of rep have i developed here?! ha ha...i was there with co-workers and my female supervisor deposited me safely at my parents' house afterwards.
my new boy visited me today, he said he left his smokes at home so i wouldn't be tempted! (he's one of those that can smoke like, one cig a day). he smelled my hair and didn't believe that i'd quit! i reminded him that i'd been to a smoky bar the night before (and i *stunk* this morning! i couldn't believe it.)
how is the thought of a smoke disgusting? what do those tapes say, anyway?
hope you're well, girl, thinking of your surgery f*cks me up even though i don't know you--keep us updated on that, that sounds a hell of a lot more stressful than quitting smoking.
mair,
yes--it's the one day (moment) at a time mentality. i'd like to have a real smoke the next time i have a really good bottle of wine, a strong port, but i'm poor so that won't be for awhile. nicorette and nicoderm are *really* expensive! i've been alternating my nicorette with regular chewing gum. at least it tastes better. the hippie cigs are a good conversation piece--everyone wants to know what smells like weed or what smells so good (like incense) depending on which brand i'm smoking! then they want to BUM one! i bum out more kickums than i did camels--
Posted by Kristi on September 2, 2001, at 1:08:16
In reply to to mair and kristi, posted by sar on September 2, 2001, at 0:40:55
> kristi,
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> congrats! i work at a bookstore so i should check to see if we have the subliminal tapes, i'm sure we do.
I'm sure you do. They are under self help audio. They have them for everything from quitting smoking, to raising self esteem, to depression. They don't kill your wallet either.> did i leave the bar alone? what kind of rep have i developed here?! ha ha...i was there with co-workers and my female supervisor deposited me safely at my parents' house afterwards.
I'm truly sorry if you took that the wrong way. Some of your stories just brought me back. No rep given to you. I apologize for that.
> my new boy visited me today, he said he left his smokes at home so i wouldn't be tempted! (he's one of those that can smoke like, one cig a day). he smelled my hair and didn't believe that i'd quit! i reminded him that i'd been to a smoky bar the night before (and i *stunk* this morning! i couldn't believe it.)
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> how is the thought of a smoke disgusting? what do those tapes say, anyway?
WEll,. the tapes have some subliminal stuff(which you subconscience can't hear) and the rest is like relaxation and the voice is planting things about what a disgusting habit it is.... it's really difficult to explain. Try one tho... especially if you work in a bookstore. I've been taken care of my cravings in the weirdest way. I don't want to eat in place of smoking... that's the last thing I want to do. But you know how it goes.... you have to have something in your hands and mouth. So I got those liquorice sticks... and I just kind of suck and chew on the end.
> hope you're well, girl, thinking of your surgery f*cks me up even though i don't know you--keep us updated on that, that sounds a hell of a lot more stressful than quitting smoking.It is DEFINATELY a helluva lot more difficult than quitting smoking, but I think I talk about it less because there are more people that can identify with the smoking thing. Out of all the people who read this.... not a single one can relate to what I'm going thru..... so it's hard to talk about. Just now for instance... I mentioned before having to pack a wound in the inside(doesn't want the cavity to fill up to soon)..... with a long q-tip, sterile gloves, and a device that looks like tweezers.... I have to make sure I fill it up with gauze. The whole process takes close to an hour. thankfully I only have to do it twice a day and he gave me some valiums for that. Anyway..... see..... I can't imagine that anyone can relate to that...
> mair,
> yes--it's the one day (moment) at a time mentality. i'd like to have a real smoke the next time i have a really good bottle of wine, a strong port, but i'm poor so that won't be for awhile. nicorette and nicoderm are *really* expensive! i've been alternating my nicorette with regular chewing gum. at least it tastes better. the hippie cigs are a good conversation piece--everyone wants to know what smells like weed or what smells so good (like incense) depending on which brand i'm smoking! then they want to BUM one! i bum out more kickums than i did camels--
Sorry to intrude...... have you tried the cherry ones??????? They are a DEFINITE coversation piece.
Posted by Marie1 on September 2, 2001, at 8:31:22
In reply to Re: to mair and kristi, posted by Kristi on September 2, 2001, at 1:08:16
Kristi,
I'm glad your surgery went relatively well; the idea of what happened to you is what lawyers are for! Go for it- you deserve every penny you get. (and then some.) I abhor even the thought of surgery. I had my one and only panic attack (I think that's what it was) right before anesthesia and I'll do anything to avoid feeling that way ever again. I can't imagine having to endure as many surgeries as you have.
I wanted to comment on your smoking cessation. When I last quit (I'm really good at it, I've done it lots of times!! :-)), the hypnotherapist gave me a tape of the session to listen to at home. I too could have smoked as soon as I left his office, but since he confiscated my cigs, I didn't. Anyway, I scoffed at it at the time, but in retrospect I think the tape really did help, especially during those times when you're saying to yourself "Now why am I doing this again?". I really wish you luck. My stopping only lasted 8 months (the longest I've ever quit for), but I think I'll try acupuncture next time. My pdoc says he was amazed at how well it worked for him. Now if I could only find a hypnotherapist for weight control....Since I quit drinking at the beginning of the summer, I've been eating everything that isn't nailed down. And I think I'd rather be a thin alchy than a fat sober person! That's my whine for the day. Get better fast.Marie
Posted by Kristi on September 7, 2001, at 23:30:42
In reply to Re: to mair and kristi, posted by Marie1 on September 2, 2001, at 8:31:22
Hey girl,
Thanks for your sweet wishes.
You know, I forgot all about that tape. I'm so glad you mentioned it. The first couple nights I would fall asleep to it... then I kind of forgot. Lately I've been getting the cravings... so I'll stick the ol tape in , have at it , and see what it does.
Thanks for the reminder.
Did you read the tread where I am learning how to hypnotize????? Then I can do it for you..... altho I can halp you with the weigh without hypnosis if you want.... was a trainer for many years.... altho you'd probably like your hypnotist better..... I was a tough ass.
Thanks for your caring.... and I loved you comment about how you quit all the time. Take care kiddo, Kristi
> Kristi,
> I'm glad your surgery went relatively well; the idea of what happened to you is what lawyers are for! Go for it- you deserve every penny you get. (and then some.) I abhor even the thought of surgery. I had my one and only panic attack (I think that's what it was) right before anesthesia and I'll do anything to avoid feeling that way ever again. I can't imagine having to endure as many surgeries as you have.
> I wanted to comment on your smoking cessation. When I last quit (I'm really good at it, I've done it lots of times!! :-)), the hypnotherapist gave me a tape of the session to listen to at home. I too could have smoked as soon as I left his office, but since he confiscated my cigs, I didn't. Anyway, I scoffed at it at the time, but in retrospect I think the tape really did help, especially during those times when you're saying to yourself "Now why am I doing this again?". I really wish you luck. My stopping only lasted 8 months (the longest I've ever quit for), but I think I'll try acupuncture next time. My pdoc says he was amazed at how well it worked for him. Now if I could only find a hypnotherapist for weight control....Since I quit drinking at the beginning of the summer, I've been eating everything that isn't nailed down. And I think I'd rather be a thin alchy than a fat sober person! That's my whine for the day. Get better fast.
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> Marie
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