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Posted by Maxime on January 3, 2011, at 21:24:40
In reply to Re: Phillipa - Say it ain't so. » SLS, posted by ou812 on January 3, 2011, at 18:36:42
> Do any of you Facebook or leave home? Are aliens going to decript hidden personal info from an email and come thru the monitor to take your mind? Probably not. There is more info from this board on the internet that everyone accepts when posting here that I can't understand the lynching that seem to bring more poster to the scene than actual help.I don't think that is the point. This site is for people with mental illness to discuss meds etc. with other people suffering from similar illnesses. Many of the people here have careers and family. We don't want people to know about our illness. It's supposed to be an anonymous group and that is why we create a user name other than our own name. Comparing it to Facebook is rather unfair. I can only speak for myself and that it is THIS part of my life that I don't want the world to know about.
Posted by ou812 on January 3, 2011, at 23:06:44
In reply to Re: Phillipa - Say it ain't so., posted by Maxime on January 3, 2011, at 21:24:40
I don't think that is the point. This site is for people with mental illness to discuss meds etc. with other people suffering from similar illnesses. Many of the people here have careers and family. We don't want people to know about our illness. It's supposed to be an anonymous group and that is why we create a user name other than our own name.Interesting as I have observer a less than supportive atmosphere here and a lack of moderation that could really help this board. It seems this is a primitive experiment in human and group behavior than the support group it is advertised to be. I have experienced 12-step group support that would not condone such interactions as we have seen here. I feel mental illness should have more public exposure and understanding than being swept under the rug with negative connotations. I have talked to strangers while waiting in a slow moving line and it seems if they aren't on an anxiety or psychotropic; they have a family member or friend that is.
Comparing it to Facebook is rather unfair. I can only speak for myself and that it is THIS part of my life that I don't want the world to know about.
Okay, I can appreciate you wanting to only to share here as I feel your family is lacking in the support that would be beneficial. I am sorry for the relationship you have with your brother an it is sad that he has treated you as he has, Anyway, my comparison to Facebook is that a begin picture that is floating around (assuming it is unrelated to this site or a particular incriminating action) is posted to FB without much thought. However, this picture seems to be a catastrophic event in of itself. The perception of reality is very interesting to me when compared to the various social media. I see PC is another mental illness discussion board and profile pictures are freely posted. This site is unique and worth observing. :)
Posted by ou812 on January 3, 2011, at 23:08:48
In reply to Re: Phillipa - Say it ain't so. » ou812, posted by SLS on January 3, 2011, at 20:41:22
I wish there was an "EDIT Comment" button option here too! :)
Posted by Glydin50 on January 4, 2011, at 0:00:15
In reply to Re: Phillipa - Say it ain't so., posted by ou812 on January 3, 2011, at 19:37:32
> I have been lurking for years and now writing an article on cyber-bullying. I have visited many sites and quite frankly I feel this site has the Borderline/ Paranoid /Passive-Aggressive elements that will support a great article.
~~~ Dr. Bob is aware of you thinking this site would support a great article and of you writing such an article? I would be interested in knowing that, if you would answer. Thanks
Posted by jane d on January 4, 2011, at 5:33:20
In reply to Re: to Phillipa - personal information » violette, posted by Phillipa on January 2, 2011, at 12:54:50
Phillipa,
I'm sorry this is happening to you.
I do think posting these email addresses was a mistake. I don't think it's a huge one - they are identified as nothing except the victims of spam - but they didn't ask to have their email addresses published here. I'd be very unhappy to find my email address anywhere on the internet - if only because I don't need any additional spam.
I think you should ask Bob if he will remove them from your original post here:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20101201/msgs/975585.html
and also from the posts by Violette and Maxime who reposted them here:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20101201/msgs/975605.html
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20101201/msgs/975619.html
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20101201/msgs/975638.html
as well as from any other posts I may have missed.
Jane
Posted by ou812 on January 4, 2011, at 14:02:37
In reply to Re: » ou812, posted by Glydin50 on January 4, 2011, at 0:00:15
I haven't contacted Dr. Bob myself but I feel that he has enjoyed the publicity of the previous NYT article and by opening a Face Book page and encouraging poster to tweet threads that more public exposure is encouraged. I feel that PB is a toy to be played with (or just observed) when the mood strikes as there have been a few extended periods of his absence where the petri dish has been interesting to watch.
Posted by violette on January 4, 2011, at 16:27:44
In reply to Re: Phillipa - Say it ain't so. » SLS, posted by ou812 on January 3, 2011, at 18:36:42
ou812,
People have different stakes when it comes to privacy. Before i came here, I used a support forum for women who lived with domestic violence. Upon request, the moderator would delete your user name (which would then delete all your posts). Some people can get hurt, and I mean really hurt-if their identity was connected with the things they say here, and not everyone has irl support. Some people have rational reasons to be 'paranoid'. There are other possibilities you left out of your judgment call in regard to how people feel about their privacy. Others might not understand due to limited life experiences...but even those without specific situations should be able to empathize if some time is taken to think about possibilities.
I agree with some things that you've said. The rules of this forum actually encourage passive agressiveness. I've written about this before, so won't get into details. It's not difficult to figure out anyway.
And I've also observed how people flock to posts like this while nobody responds to another person posting for help. I've written about that too-this isn't really the best place to get support.
But as someone who usually comes out and defends others when I perceive that someone is being bullied-i disagree that bringing this issue up is bullying Phillipa. Like Maxime, I simply asked her to delete anythign personal she might have. And as with Alexandria, I didn't see any bad intent on Phillipa's part. People do have to protect themselves though. And if someone is repeating behavior unacceptable to others-regardless of intent, they need to know that it is unacceptable.
And i would never be interested in bullying you Phillippa, even after I felt betrayed by your post here - saying 'let me know if one of these is your email...but i've deleted mine for security reasons.'. paraphrase..You thought (according to what you said) it might be my email-but listed it anyway.
Sometimes you just have to be more assertive and less passive when self protection is necessary.
......and people just don't know what the stakes are for another individual who has used or who uses this forum-even if it is some primitive human behavioral experiment devised by Dr. Bob.Sometimes this place makes me think of those rat swimming experiments.
Posted by violette on January 4, 2011, at 16:45:24
In reply to Re: public forum » Glydin50, posted by ou812 on January 4, 2011, at 14:02:37
Do you know Phillipa personally? If you do, might that be a good example why people don't want their information shared? The example being if she was collecting personal information and pictures for the story you are writing.
I think bullying is singling out a person for just being themself, someone who just going about their business, not harming others. People are just trying to prevent harm to themselves here, is all.
Posted by Glydin50 on January 4, 2011, at 16:46:52
In reply to Re: public forum » Glydin50, posted by ou812 on January 4, 2011, at 14:02:37
Thanks for answering.
In nine years, I have been aware of two articles written - not authored by Dr. Bob - to be published. I believe both were done with Dr. Bob's awareness and blessing. But... This isn't my site so ...... whatever ..... : )
Posted by Maxime on January 4, 2011, at 18:11:13
In reply to Re: Phillipa - Say it ain't so., posted by ou812 on January 3, 2011, at 23:06:44
It would nice to think that there isn't as much stigma surrounding mental illness and that it should be out in the open. The stigma is as strong as ever. I lost my last job because I am bipolar and I started to have hallucinations at work. I was totally aware that they were hallucinations, I was not delusional. Ten minutes later the 3 police men were surrounding my cubicle, along with the 2 EMS. I am have never been so humiliated in my life. After that happened they let me go. No more job for me. I will never, ever, EVER be honest about my illness in the workplace again.
Posted by Maxime on January 4, 2011, at 18:13:13
In reply to Re: public forum » Glydin50, posted by ou812 on January 4, 2011, at 14:02:37
> I haven't contacted Dr. Bob myself but I feel that he has enjoyed the publicity of the previous NYT article and by opening a Face Book page and encouraging poster to tweet threads that more public exposure is encouraged. I feel that PB is a toy to be played with (or just observed) when the mood strikes as there have been a few extended periods of his absence where the petri dish has been interesting to watch.
>Who set up a Facebook page? NYT? Dr. Bob?
Posted by Maxime on January 4, 2011, at 18:17:14
In reply to Re: Phillipa - Say it ain't so., posted by violette on January 4, 2011, at 16:27:44
> ......and people just don't know what the stakes are for another individual who has used or who uses this forum-even if it is some primitive human behavioral experiment devised by Dr. Bob.
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> Sometimes this place makes me think of those rat swimming experiments.Wow, excellent post Violette!
Posted by gardenergirl on January 4, 2011, at 18:36:23
In reply to Re: public forum » Glydin50, posted by ou812 on January 4, 2011, at 14:02:37
> where the petri dish has been interesting to watch.
>Ooh! Ooh! Petri dish microbes! Can I be streptococcus? Pretty please? I think that the chains they form would make me look thinner.
gg
Posted by ou812 on January 4, 2011, at 20:57:13
In reply to Re: public forum, posted by violette on January 4, 2011, at 16:45:24
Do you know Phillipa personally? No, I do not know Phillipa except from the postings. I do know there was a period of time where many posters were sharing their picture(s) here and other personal info that can easily be found in the archives. That really isn't of interest to me.
I think bullying is singling out a person for just being themselves, someone who just going about their business, not harming others. People are just trying to prevent harm to themselves here, is all.
I have to take the latter part of you statement and elaborate that some of the posts seem to exhibit inappropriate or undeveloped coping mechanisms that re-actively lash out to protect themselves as developmental circumstances have conditioned primitive responses. I feel bullying is and can have a various dimensions, degrees, intention and execution. The group dynamic is analogous to a stoning as you mentioned with a handful of posters seeming to kick another when they are down and retreat as quickly when support is needed. I see several different angles in which to observe...As far as the domestic violence support groups you mentioned, I can easily see the paramount importance of anonymity. With the threat of retaliation an ever present fear, I have to stretch to see a similarity with this site; especially with the other general interest boards.
@ Maxime, sorry that you had to experience such a traumatic and humiliating experience at work. That wasn't what I was intending when I was suggesting to bring public awareness to mental illness.
The Face Book page is Dr. Bob's (Robert Hsiung); you can request to be his friend.
Posted by violette on January 4, 2011, at 22:41:48
In reply to Re: public forum, posted by ou812 on January 4, 2011, at 20:57:13
ou812,
I'd agree some of the posts here can be related to patterns resulting from developmental circumstances. The need to 'rescue' can also be a result of developmental circumstances; displacement, etc, can happen very quickly when triggered.
I wish people could be lax about identity and mental health. Some of the greatest discriminators in the US: the federal government; non-psych medical institutions. You're preaching to the wrong choir here...
Plus social media has changed alot in the past decade. When this site was created, I never heard of employers searching prospective employees in Facebook, Google...If I owned my own business, I understand enough about mental illness to not be discriminatory. Can't say the same for other employers, who may be ignorant about it. The legality argument does not hold as it happens all the time.
People here know quite a bit about these problems-imo this really isn't the place to advocate for disclosure of MI because the group here is the last to need 'influencing'.
If the domestic violence seems a bit of a stretch, understood, but maybe there are other situations, such as those experienced by other members here, things you've never personally dealt with, that influence our safety concerns? I have my own personal situation. I don't wish to discuss it in detail, but I'd guess if i told you about it, it might have never crossed your mind.
And about those old posts from a decade ago-that was before internet privacy concerns were commonplace issues. This website has become a Limited Liability Corp. (LLC). I wouldn't be surprised if the owner has been sued in civil court for his refusal to delete posts written here that came back to haunt people a decade later. If he hasn't yet been sued, I could bet that he will be in the future.
Still, after this discussion, i firmly believe the concerns posted by Maxime and I are more than reasonable reactions.
It's interesting how people who have never posted on this forum before suddenly have stakes in the content of this website. Enjoy using your microscope.
Posted by Maxime on January 4, 2011, at 22:43:13
In reply to Re: public forum » ou812, posted by gardenergirl on January 4, 2011, at 18:36:23
> > where the petri dish has been interesting to watch.
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> Ooh! Ooh! Petri dish microbes! Can I be streptococcus? Pretty please? I think that the chains they form would make me look thinner.
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> gg
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>
Not fair! *stomps her feet* I wanted to be streptococcus!!!! Sigh. Now I will have to find something else to be.
Posted by Maxime on January 4, 2011, at 22:52:44
In reply to Re: public forum » gardenergirl, posted by Maxime on January 4, 2011, at 22:43:13
HA! I found something even better that I can examine in a petri dish. Mario!! I found this on a site http://kotaku.com/5429450/mario-recreated-in-petri-dish
Beat that GG! :p
Posted by Maxime on January 4, 2011, at 23:38:03
In reply to Re: Phillipa - Say it ain't so., posted by violette on January 4, 2011, at 16:27:44
Again, I would like echo what Violette wrote. I have no desire to bully you Phillipa, or anyone else on PB. My only concern is the storing and dissemination of personal information.
Posted by jane d on January 5, 2011, at 4:40:41
In reply to Re: Phillipa - Say it ain't so. » violette, posted by Maxime on January 4, 2011, at 23:38:03
> Again, I would like echo what Violette wrote. I have no desire to bully you Phillipa, or anyone else on PB. My only concern is the storing and dissemination of personal information.
If this is true I really don't understand why you posted here instead of using babblemail or regular email. Obviously you had some kind of off board relationship. Equally obviously you've had some kind of falling out. Now you want something you sent to Phillipa back when you were friends destroyed. Why not just ask her for it in babblemail? What does posting here about it or digging thru the archives for threads from years ago accomplish?
Posted by SLS on January 5, 2011, at 5:38:14
In reply to Re: public forum, posted by ou812 on January 4, 2011, at 20:57:13
> I think bullying is singling out a person for just being themselves, someone who just going about their business, not harming others.
Some people can not "be themselves" without harming others.
I don't understand passive-aggressive. I know this is Administration, but could you give me some idea as to what this is all about?
Thanks.
I have become interested to know what are the psychosocial dynamics of Psycho-Babble from the point of view of someone who is more educated in this area than I am. I don't like what is going on here, and I want to know why it is happening.
Thanks again.
I think that these issues are appropriate to be addressed on the Administration board.
I am becoming ever more suspicious that Psycho-Babble has indeed become a social experiment. I imagine that an experiment can be successful without promoting a healthy outcome for its participants (subjects). I can conceive of many experiments that can be performed on this population. I wonder if such an endeavor would be approved by a APA ethics review board.
- Scott
Posted by Maxime on January 5, 2011, at 6:49:55
In reply to Why haven't you left this in babblemail? » Maxime, posted by jane d on January 5, 2011, at 4:40:41
> > Again, I would like echo what Violette wrote. I have no desire to bully you Phillipa, or anyone else on PB. My only concern is the storing and dissemination of personal information.
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> If this is true I really don't understand why you posted here instead of using babblemail or regular email. Obviously you had some kind of off board relationship. Equally obviously you've had some kind of falling out. Now you want something you sent to Phillipa back when you were friends destroyed. Why not just ask her for it in babblemail? What does posting here about it or digging thru the archives for threads from years ago accomplish?Because I think it is something that PB needs to know. If she has my files/information then she possibly has others. I know that at one point she had a lot of files on people. I didn't dig through the archives.
Posted by Maxime on January 5, 2011, at 6:53:10
In reply to Why haven't you left this in babblemail? » Maxime, posted by jane d on January 5, 2011, at 4:40:41
I forgot to add that after what happened in November in Babblemail, my Babblemail is essentially turned off to Phillipa. If she sends me a Babblemail, it gets deleted before I can even see it.
Posted by Dinah on January 5, 2011, at 9:40:50
In reply to Re: What can I do?, posted by Solstice on January 2, 2011, at 1:54:27
> I don't know that there's any way to actually prevent someone from doing that, other than to simply not participate in anything. I suppose that it doesn't matter whether it's online or IRL, if someone wants to invest the energy into collecting information about others, they can do it within the limits of the law.
What are you saying Phillipa did? I thought the topic of conversation was items sent to Phillipa by email or posted publicly on the board. Are you accusing Phillipa of searching the internet for information on others? I don't see anyplace on board where that is being said. Is someone spreading gossip off board about Phillipa?
> That said, it would feel very creepy to me to find out someone is keeping a file and collecting information about me.
I keep photos sent to me by email, and emails sent to me. I also might bookmark items on occasion, if Babblers have posted links to them. I may even arrange those photos, emails, and links into folders. I like a tidy computer. I routinely keep things friends send me because I care about them. I'm sorry you find my behavior creepy.
Posted by Dinah on January 5, 2011, at 9:51:08
In reply to Re: Why haven't you left this in babblemail? » jane d, posted by Maxime on January 5, 2011, at 6:49:55
> Because I think it is something that PB needs to know. If she has my files/information then she possibly has others. I know that at one point she had a lot of files on people. I didn't dig through the archives.
You responded to a post over three years old on not one, but two boards.
Your have now stated that your goal is not simply to ask that she get rid of any information she has about you, that you sent her freely, but to make everyone on Babble aware of your charges against her. To warn them. Is it possible that Phillipa sees herself as having equally benign motives for passing on information to others? Whatever your motives, your actions are that of someone spreading information, true or false, about another person.
You've made your point. Repeatedly.
Incidentally, if following site guidelines and avoiding blocks is important to you, a way to warn others without violating civility guidelines might be to say.
"I advise everyone to be very careful with information you don't wish to be public. Don't post it on board and don't send it to others. Emails are no more private than the board. Posters can and do pass on information in emails. If privacy is important to you, be careful what you post on board, send babblemails rather than emails, and don't send anything to another babbler that you wouldn't want known on board."
That is not only unexceptional, it's also completely true. I could endorse a statement like that. Depending on context, perhaps.
You say your pdoc is reading. Does he ever address your behavior? Or just the behavior of others. When I bring in posts, my therapist is always one to address my behavior before he addresses the behavior of others.
Posted by Dinah on January 5, 2011, at 9:58:21
In reply to Re: Phillipa - Say it ain't so. » ou812, posted by SLS on January 3, 2011, at 20:41:22
Scott, are you ok? I know this is a difficult time for you.
It's not really like what I know of you to make posts like the ones you've made on this thread. Particularly since they are based, according to you, not on anything you have experienced personally with Phillipa, but on gossip. I try not to listen to gossip. Not even gossip about gossip.
((( Scott )))
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