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Posted by Lou Pilder on March 11, 2008, at 12:33:38
Mr. Hsiung and his deputies,
This is my reminder per your policy for outstanding requests. I have requested that a post be addressed by using the notification feature a few days ago and have not received a reply nor do I see the post in question addressed on the board.
Lou Pilder
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 14, 2008, at 8:59:33
In reply to Lou's request to the administration-notif, posted by Lou Pilder on March 11, 2008, at 12:33:38
> Mr. Hsiung and his deputies,
> This is my reminder per your policy for outstanding requests. I have requested that a post be addressed by using the notification feature a few days ago and have not received a reply nor do I see the post in question addressed on the board.
> Lou PilderMr. Hsiung and his deputies,
This is my reminder per the procedure here to keep reminding the administration if there is an outstanding request.
Since there have been posts concerning that the notification feature is to be wanted to be used here, I am requesting that each deputy post here in this thread their reason for whatever their reason could be in regards to my request in the notification that was sent a few days before the 11th of this month and I have not recieved a reply as to how they based their action or have I seen the post in question addressed in the thread that is is posted in as the TOS writes will be one of the two that the requester will be notified of.
Then, this brings up in my mind as to why either an email or babblemail has not been sent to me concerning my request in the notification or why there is not the post addressed in the thread that it is posted in according to the expectations that I have that the TOS will be honored here.
Psychiatrists and psychologists write about the psychological and/or emotional feelings and reactions and effects that people could have when they wonder why an expectation that they think they have for a deliverance of something is not delivered even after a reminder to the ones that they are expecting the delivery to come from does not produce the expected deliverance.
Then feelings of wonderment could arise concerning as to if the notification here in question is not responded to, then I wonder as to if I was to send another notification as to if the first one could be precedent over the second or if the second could precedent the first or if the second could also not be responded to in the same manner of the first or something else.
And another wonderment that I could have is that I do not know if others here that have sent notifications have had their notification responded to or not, for if I was to know that then I could wonder as to why that has been or not. I am asking anyone here to post in this thread or email me if they have or have not had a notification that they sent responded to according to the TOS here since the 8th of this month, or any oother time, so that I could have the opportunity to know if or if not others have had their notification responded to or not so that I could have an understanding of as to why the notification that I sent has not been acted upon as per the TOS here since the deputies and Mr. Hsiung have not yet either emailed me or used the babblemail or posted to the thead where the postin quesition is. This could help me IMO with any psychological/emotional aspects that could arise as to me still wondering why the notification has not been acted on as of yet as per the TOS here.
I think that there is the potential that if the deputies or MR. Hsiung respond to my request here now that this could help others here in relation to if and when they send a notification so that they have advance knowlege of how notifications could be administrated here in relation to the TOS here and see any reasons that the administration may post per my request to them to post those reasons, if any, here in this thread.
Then that could also IMO bring up as to what if there are no reasons for not addressing the post or notifying me by email or babblemail as per what psychological/emotional consequences that could be to me.
Lou
Posted by Deputy 10derHeart on March 14, 2008, at 10:53:08
In reply to Lou's request to the administration-dlbindif?, posted by Lou Pilder on March 14, 2008, at 8:59:33
Lou, please send the notification again and I will look at it ASAP.
We do our best at any given time, but sometimes one may be overlooked when Dr. Bob is absent and/or deputies are unavailable as well. I apologize for that. We'll try to do better in the future in this area.
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 14, 2008, at 13:47:37
In reply to Re: Lou's request to the administration-dlbindif? » Lou Pilder, posted by Deputy 10derHeart on March 14, 2008, at 10:53:08
> Lou, please send the notification again and I will look at it ASAP.
>
> We do our best at any given time, but sometimes one may be overlooked when Dr. Bob is absent and/or deputies are unavailable as well. I apologize for that. We'll try to do better in the future in this area.Deputy 10derHeart
You wrote,[...send the notification again....may be overlooked...]
The TOS states that a notification will be addressed either in the thread that it is posted or that the requester will receive an email or babblemail explaining the reason that it is not addressed and allowed to stand.
This came up previously and I objected to having additional terms and conditions added to me by, in that case, having to send the notification again, and it was determined when I refused to do that, that I did send it as the procedure states to do. Now it is my understanding that the notification goes to all the deputies and Mr. Hsiung so that if one receives it, all receive it.
I am unsure as to what you are wanting to mean here. I could make my own determination about that if all the deputies and Mr. Hsiung post here that they did not receive the notification from me. If all post here that they did not receive the notification in question, then I will send it again. Now if not all the deputies post that they did not receive it, then I am unsure as what to understand as to this situation for me here , for if there is a deputy that comes forward and says that they did receive it, then that could mean something different than if all the deputies post that they did not receive it. But if that happpens, then other issues of IMO even greter propotions could arise from that if all the deputies and Mr. Hsiung post here that they did not receive a notifcation from me as in question here.
I am unsure as to the grammatical structure of your statement to me here,[...we do our best..but sometimes one {may} be overlooked...] as to if you have or have not contacted the other deputies and you are wanting to mean or not that they , by your contact with them, if you have contacted them, have not received the notification in question or not since you write the word {may}, which could have the generally accepted meaning here of that it {might} have, but then again it could be understood IMO that it {might have not}, also from the grammatical accepted meaning.If you have not contacted the other deputies, could you contact the other deputies and ask them if they received the notification and either post here or email me as to what you find out? If you could, then I could have the opportunity to make my own determination as to if I do or do not have to send the notification again to receive a reply or to see it addressed on the thread that it was posted on.
Lou
Posted by gardenergirl on March 14, 2008, at 15:19:12
In reply to Lou's reply to deputy-ppsgtabnwbg » Deputy 10derHeart, posted by Lou Pilder on March 14, 2008, at 13:47:37
> If you have not contacted the other deputies, could you contact the other deputies and ask them if they received the notification and either post here or email me as to what you find out? If you could, then I could have the opportunity to make my own determination as to if I do or do not have to send the notification again to receive a reply or to see it addressed on the thread that it was posted on.
> LouLou,
Do you realize that at the very same time you appear to be objecting to what you perceive as "having additional terms and conditions added", you are asking Deputy 10derheart to perform additional tasks beyond what a deputy would normally do in the course of addressing a notification from a poster? What do you think about that?When it came up before, and it would seem as it was requested now, the request to re-send the notification is about making it easier to locate, open, read, and begin the process of addressing the notification. If I had asked that of you in a similar situation when I was still a deputy, I would be asking you for this assistance (resending the notification) so that I could more efficiently meet your need of getting a response. In my case, notifications came to my email inbox along with all the other emails that email address received. Emails from a day or two ago could easily move to the second page or deeper into the inbox, and this would make it more difficult to locate a specific message. If I asked and you had sent it again, I would be prepared to watch for it, and I would almost certainly spot a message I was expecting. So essentially, a reasonable person would conclude that Deputy 10derheart is asking you, quite politely, for your assistance so that she can assist you more efficiently. It would seem likely that she wishes to address your notification as quickly as she can since you've been waiting. And it is not a stretch to come to the conclusion that she believes that if you resend the message, she will be able to find it more efficiently.
You certainly can choose not to help out as she requested, but can you see how helpfully re-sending the message could result in getting a response of some kind sooner than if she first has to take the time to search for your message among the many in her inbox? If I were Deputy 10derheart, I would appreciate feeling able to work together with you to meet your need, and I would value mutual courtesy, flexibility, and a pragmatic, problem-solving approach. I know from experience that is certainly available from Deputy 10derheart. I hope you feel comfortable joining with her so that she can provide you with the response to your notification as soon as she is able.
And as I preview this message, I recall that the last time I offered this type of information, I came to the conclusion that it wasn't really about the specific notification at all at that point, but rather how you interpreted the delay in response and how you later interpreted the request to re-send. My conclusion could be wrong, I admit. But if it's accurate, than it would seem that any assistance offered that was geared towards what appeared to be the primary problem, getting you a speedy response to your notification, would be less likely to be satisfactory. Yeah, this is coming back to me more now. And yet, I'm throwing this out there for you anyway. For whatever it's worth...
gg
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 14, 2008, at 15:36:53
In reply to Re: Lou's reply to deputy-ppsgtabnwbg » Lou Pilder, posted by gardenergirl on March 14, 2008, at 15:19:12
> > If you have not contacted the other deputies, could you contact the other deputies and ask them if they received the notification and either post here or email me as to what you find out? If you could, then I could have the opportunity to make my own determination as to if I do or do not have to send the notification again to receive a reply or to see it addressed on the thread that it was posted on.
> > Lou
>
> Lou,
> Do you realize that at the very same time you appear to be objecting to what you perceive as "having additional terms and conditions added", you are asking Deputy 10derheart to perform additional tasks beyond what a deputy would normally do in the course of addressing a notification from a poster? What do you think about that?
>
> When it came up before, and it would seem as it was requested now, the request to re-send the notification is about making it easier to locate, open, read, and begin the process of addressing the notification. If I had asked that of you in a similar situation when I was still a deputy, I would be asking you for this assistance (resending the notification) so that I could more efficiently meet your need of getting a response. In my case, notifications came to my email inbox along with all the other emails that email address received. Emails from a day or two ago could easily move to the second page or deeper into the inbox, and this would make it more difficult to locate a specific message. If I asked and you had sent it again, I would be prepared to watch for it, and I would almost certainly spot a message I was expecting. So essentially, a reasonable person would conclude that Deputy 10derheart is asking you, quite politely, for your assistance so that she can assist you more efficiently. It would seem likely that she wishes to address your notification as quickly as she can since you've been waiting. And it is not a stretch to come to the conclusion that she believes that if you resend the message, she will be able to find it more efficiently.
>
> You certainly can choose not to help out as she requested, but can you see how helpfully re-sending the message could result in getting a response of some kind sooner than if she first has to take the time to search for your message among the many in her inbox? If I were Deputy 10derheart, I would appreciate feeling able to work together with you to meet your need, and I would value mutual courtesy, flexibility, and a pragmatic, problem-solving approach. I know from experience that is certainly available from Deputy 10derheart. I hope you feel comfortable joining with her so that she can provide you with the response to your notification as soon as she is able.
>
> And as I preview this message, I recall that the last time I offered this type of information, I came to the conclusion that it wasn't really about the specific notification at all at that point, but rather how you interpreted the delay in response and how you later interpreted the request to re-send. My conclusion could be wrong, I admit. But if it's accurate, than it would seem that any assistance offered that was geared towards what appeared to be the primary problem, getting you a speedy response to your notification, would be less likely to be satisfactory. Yeah, this is coming back to me more now. And yet, I'm throwing this out there for you anyway. For whatever it's worth...
>
> gggardenergirl,
You wrote,[...you are asking (the deputy) to perform {additional} tasks.
I am unsure as to what the task that you are referring to could be additional because the TOS says that the member sends the notification and the administration will either reply to the member or post in the thread where the post in question is. How is doing that, if that is what you are wanting to mean, {additional]? I am only asking for the notification to be acted on by the administration. I will resend it if all of the administration writes that they can not find it, I have no problem with that if they all do that. I am waiting for the other deputies to post as to if they can find it or not.
Lou
Posted by gardenergirl on March 14, 2008, at 16:03:07
In reply to Lou's reply to gardenergirl- adneg » gardenergirl, posted by Lou Pilder on March 14, 2008, at 15:36:53
This right here:
> > > If you have not contacted the other deputies, could you contact the other deputies and ask them if they received the notification and either post here or email me as to what you find out?
is asking her to do something beyond what she or any other deputy would normally do in the course of responding to a notification. In addition, you have requested that all the deputies and Dr. Bob post whether they have received it, which goes well beyond the normal procedures for a notification. If the issue is getting the answer, it doesn't matter at all whether they have all received it. There's no need to wait for any of them to say anything about it. If you want an answer to the notification question, Deputy 10derheart has offered to give you one.
So my question is, what do you really want, Lou? Is it an answer about the notification that you sent in? Or is it that nothing ever happen that is outside the TOS as you interpret them, so that there is never any need to wonder why they seem fallible? Something else?
Posted by Deputy 10derHeart on March 14, 2008, at 16:06:33
In reply to Lou's reply to gardenergirl- adneg » gardenergirl, posted by Lou Pilder on March 14, 2008, at 15:36:53
>I am waiting for the other deputies to post as to if they can find it or not.
Then you may wait quite some time. Dinah and Racer are not available right now. Auntie Mel is not currently performing deputy duties. Dr. Bob is not available. I am the only deputy available.
I recall something from you, and which board, [I won't say which one in case you'd rather I not] but I don't know which thread/post. I may have deleted it out of my Inbox thinking someone else had acted on it, but I see I was mistaken. I may have deleted it purely by mistake - I do that sometimes as I routinely have 20-30 messages pertaining in some way to Babble in that Inbox (not all Notifications) before having a chance to move or delete them. I sometimes click the wrong little box on the side....
*Please* send it again. I await it.
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 14, 2008, at 16:26:32
In reply to Re: Lou's reply to gardenergirl- adneg » Lou Pilder, posted by Deputy 10derHeart on March 14, 2008, at 16:06:33
> >I am waiting for the other deputies to post as to if they can find it or not.
>
> Then you may wait quite some time. Dinah and Racer are not available right now. Auntie Mel is not currently performing deputy duties. Dr. Bob is not available. I am the only deputy available.
>
> I recall something from you, and which board, [I won't say which one in case you'd rather I not] but I don't know which thread/post. I may have deleted it out of my Inbox thinking someone else had acted on it, but I see I was mistaken. I may have deleted it purely by mistake - I do that sometimes as I routinely have 20-30 messages pertaining in some way to Babble in that Inbox (not all Notifications) before having a chance to move or delete them. I sometimes click the wrong little box on the side....
>
> *Please* send it again. I await it.Deputy 10derHeart,
You wrote,[...I recall something from you and which board...don't know which thread or post...I was mistaken...send it again...]
Now if I send it to you now, then your post in the thread could be seen , if you post one instead of emailing or babblemailing me, and then could not there be the potential for others to connect that that post by you was a response from my notification/ If so, then others could know that I sent the notitifaction and is that not one of the purposes of the notitifaction system as to give anonamous notitifactions? If so, could we plan on another way to have the notitifaction acted on? Perhps since you know the board that it was on you could go back to the time in the notification and maybe find it as you remember?
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 14, 2008, at 16:35:27
In reply to Lou's reply to deputy 10derHeart-shflovtobflough » Deputy 10derHeart, posted by Lou Pilder on March 14, 2008, at 16:26:32
> > >I am waiting for the other deputies to post as to if they can find it or not.
> >
> > Then you may wait quite some time. Dinah and Racer are not available right now. Auntie Mel is not currently performing deputy duties. Dr. Bob is not available. I am the only deputy available.
> >
> > I recall something from you, and which board, [I won't say which one in case you'd rather I not] but I don't know which thread/post. I may have deleted it out of my Inbox thinking someone else had acted on it, but I see I was mistaken. I may have deleted it purely by mistake - I do that sometimes as I routinely have 20-30 messages pertaining in some way to Babble in that Inbox (not all Notifications) before having a chance to move or delete them. I sometimes click the wrong little box on the side....
> >
> > *Please* send it again. I await it.
>
> Deputy 10derHeart,
> You wrote,[...I recall something from you and which board...don't know which thread or post...I was mistaken...send it again...]
> Now if I send it to you now, then your post in the thread could be seen , if you post one instead of emailing or babblemailing me, and then could not there be the potential for others to connect that that post by you was a response from my notification/ If so, then others could know that I sent the notitifaction and is that not one of the purposes of the notitifaction system as to give anonamous notitifactions? If so, could we plan on another way to have the notitifaction acted on? Perhps since you know the board that it was on you could go back to the time in the notification and maybe find it as you remember?
> Lou
10der,
to continue...
I think that another way could be for you to email me with the posts that you may think could be the one that you remember from that board from seeing and then I could email you with a confimation or not untill the correct one is discovered. Could that be something that you would want to try?
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 14, 2008, at 16:46:44
In reply to Lou's reply to deputy 10derHeart-rnsrnpsu, posted by Lou Pilder on March 14, 2008, at 16:35:27
> > > >I am waiting for the other deputies to post as to if they can find it or not.
> > >
> > > Then you may wait quite some time. Dinah and Racer are not available right now. Auntie Mel is not currently performing deputy duties. Dr. Bob is not available. I am the only deputy available.
> > >
> > > I recall something from you, and which board, [I won't say which one in case you'd rather I not] but I don't know which thread/post. I may have deleted it out of my Inbox thinking someone else had acted on it, but I see I was mistaken. I may have deleted it purely by mistake - I do that sometimes as I routinely have 20-30 messages pertaining in some way to Babble in that Inbox (not all Notifications) before having a chance to move or delete them. I sometimes click the wrong little box on the side....
> > >
> > > *Please* send it again. I await it.
> >
> > Deputy 10derHeart,
> > You wrote,[...I recall something from you and which board...don't know which thread or post...I was mistaken...send it again...]
> > Now if I send it to you now, then your post in the thread could be seen , if you post one instead of emailing or babblemailing me, and then could not there be the potential for others to connect that that post by you was a response from my notification/ If so, then others could know that I sent the notitifaction and is that not one of the purposes of the notitifaction system as to give anonamous notitifactions? If so, could we plan on another way to have the notitifaction acted on? Perhps since you know the board that it was on you could go back to the time in the notification and maybe find it as you remember?
> > Lou
> 10der,
> to continue...
> I think that another way could be for you to email me with the posts that you may think could be the one that you remember from that board from seeing and then I could email you with a confimation or not untill the correct one is discovered. Could that be something that you would want to try?
> Lou10der,
I think that there could still be problems with being anonymous with my last suggestion because others could iMO not know if you emailed me or not and if you found the post on your own volition with out my input and there could still be the connection I wrote about that is my concern. So I retract that last suggestion.
Let me know if youu have another solution because even if I resend it to you now, could not others know that I was the one that sent the notification? I would like to remain anonymous in realtion to notifications here as the system is intended to be.
Lou
Posted by Deputy 10derHeart on March 14, 2008, at 20:11:04
In reply to Lou's reply to deputy 10derHeart-svthelstdnfrme, posted by Lou Pilder on March 14, 2008, at 16:46:44
I'm sorry I'm unable to help you further, Lou.
I really am sorry.
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 14, 2008, at 21:18:23
In reply to Re: Lou's reply to deputy 10derHeart-svthelstdnfrm » Lou Pilder, posted by Deputy 10derHeart on March 14, 2008, at 20:11:04
> I'm sorry I'm unable to help you further, Lou.
>
> I really am sorry.
>
>
10der,
You wrote,[...I'm unable to help you...I really am...].
One way that I could be helped would be for the notification system to be retracted from the deputies in toto and perhaps you could discuss that with Mr. Hsiung and have the system replaced with one that situations like this could be less likely to happen because even if I emailed you the post now and you addressed it on the board that it was posted on, it could be seen IMO by some others as that the notification was from me even if it was done, lets say, a week from now because of the date of the post in question verses the date of the post if you address it in the board.
My suggestion would be for an impartial third party that is not a part of this administration to be appointed for notifications only. I think that that could be a system as to that it could be more likely that the notification will be responded to in a reasonble time that does not have the member using the notification system loose their anonymous standing.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 14, 2008, at 21:30:12
In reply to Lou's reply to deputy 10derHeart-rktsienz, posted by Lou Pilder on March 14, 2008, at 21:18:23
> > I'm sorry I'm unable to help you further, Lou.
> >
> > I really am sorry.
> >
> >
> 10der,
> You wrote,[...I'm unable to help you...I really am...].
> One way that I could be helped would be for the notification system to be retracted from the deputies in toto and perhaps you could discuss that with Mr. Hsiung and have the system replaced with one that situations like this could be less likely to happen because even if I emailed you the post now and you addressed it on the board that it was posted on, it could be seen IMO by some others as that the notification was from me even if it was done, lets say, a week from now because of the date of the post in question verses the date of the post if you address it in the board.
> My suggestion would be for an impartial third party that is not a part of this administration to be appointed for notifications only. I think that that could be a system as to that it could be more likely that the notification will be responded to in a reasonble time that does not have the member using the notification system loose their anonymous standing.
> Lou
>
> 10der,
If you are going to take my suggestion to Mr. Hsiung, I mean by {an impartial third party not part of this administration} to be someone not affiliated with the forum, even a member, that is impartial.
This could be someone , let's say, from a professional ethics department of a university outside of any connection with anyone in the University of Chicago or its affiliates.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 16, 2008, at 12:56:47
In reply to Lou's reply to deputy 10derHeart-sepvpwrs, posted by Lou Pilder on March 14, 2008, at 21:30:12
> > > I'm sorry I'm unable to help you further, Lou.
> > >
> > > I really am sorry.
> > >
> > >
> > 10der,
> > You wrote,[...I'm unable to help you...I really am...].
> > One way that I could be helped would be for the notification system to be retracted from the deputies in toto and perhaps you could discuss that with Mr. Hsiung and have the system replaced with one that situations like this could be less likely to happen because even if I emailed you the post now and you addressed it on the board that it was posted on, it could be seen IMO by some others as that the notification was from me even if it was done, lets say, a week from now because of the date of the post in question verses the date of the post if you address it in the board.
> > My suggestion would be for an impartial third party that is not a part of this administration to be appointed for notifications only. I think that that could be a system as to that it could be more likely that the notification will be responded to in a reasonble time that does not have the member using the notification system loose their anonymous standing.
> > Lou
> >
> > 10der,
> If you are going to take my suggestion to Mr. Hsiung, I mean by {an impartial third party not part of this administration} to be someone not affiliated with the forum, even a member, that is impartial.
> This could be someone , let's say, from a professional ethics department of a university outside of any connection with anyone in the University of Chicago or its affiliates.
> LouMr. Hsiung,Deputies 10derHeart,Dinah and Racer,
Deputy 10derHeart had poted that the other deputies could possibly be not availble for a long time but now I see that two are here.
I am changing my mind and I am requesting that the notification in question then be acted upon as per the TOS that it will either be addressed on the thread or that it will be explained to me by email or such as to why not.
I will accept that others could connect the dates with any post that you may make to the post in question if you post to the thread in regards to my request and I would rather loose being anonymous in respect to the notification than to have the post remain unaddessed as per the TOS concerning notifications here.
There is the question as to if any of the deputies have the notification in question or not.
I will be glad to send the notification again if all the deputies do not have it and I await that communication here as to that.
Lou
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