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Posted by Lou Pilder on March 8, 2008, at 8:42:57
In reply to How busy can one be?, posted by star008 on March 8, 2008, at 2:26:27
> We all have our own things going on and sometimes it is hard to get to everything but i wonder how hard it would be to take a couple of minutes out of a day and write a couple of lines to comfort all the concerned babblers.so many pleas.. so many anxious, scared and sad. IMO it is not civil to treat others this way. I guess there is no babble rule stating that one has to respond but it seems cruel to me.. i am sorry babblers.
star008,
You wrote,[...I wonder how hard it would be...and write a couple of lines to comfort all the concerned...sad...].
For you and any others that may be interested in a possible explanation that I have for this situation that star008 is posting about here, you could email me if you like.
There is a body of thought written about 40 years ago that is strikingly similar to the administration of this site and its rules and such, even to the exact wording.
If you would like to see this, you could email me if you like.
The concept of { doing what in one's thinking will be good for the community as a whole} has historical paralles and is a very complex political and philosophical concept that became popular in the dark ages durring feudelism and then popularized by those after the American Revolution to (you could email if you like for this part).
The concept of that the community, or country is a biological organism, like a coral reef and such, achieved its popularity durring (you could email me for this if you like). I have a extremly well-written reply to that concept by a noted person in his field that one can email me if they like to have.
Star008 wrote here something like,[...I wonder how hard it would be to write a couple of lines...?]. I think that I can answer that question by email.
Lou
Posted by Phillipa on March 8, 2008, at 12:48:14
In reply to Lou's reply to star008's post-snarises » star008, posted by Lou Pilder on March 8, 2008, at 8:42:57
Lou can you post it? Love Phillipa
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 8, 2008, at 13:16:51
In reply to Re: Lou's reply to star008's post-snarises » Lou Pilder, posted by Phillipa on March 8, 2008, at 12:48:14
> Lou can you post it? Love Phillipa
Phillipa,
You wrote,[...can you post it?...].
There were new rules made here when I rejoined the forum about a year or so ago that cause me to be unsure as to what links I can or can not post here. Also, I am unsure as to if I can post a link to a post from here that has been allowed to stand and have asked Mr. Hsiung for him to post criteria here that could give the opportunity in advance to all the members as to if the post could or could not be posted. He wrote that I could send it to him, but I asked then if there would be a timely response and I have not seen a reply to me from him as to if there would be a timely response.
Being that that is the situation on this forum now, I could email with those if they would like. Since I do not know if I can or can not post a particular link here, one could do a search using {Richard Koenigsberg, body politic} and the link would then not be posted, but I do not know as to what could come up on your search for different search engines could arrive at a different link than the one that I could email to you.
Lou
Posted by AbbieNormal on March 8, 2008, at 13:20:55
In reply to How busy can one be?, posted by star008 on March 8, 2008, at 2:26:27
http://www.ismho.org/builder//?p=page&id=228
I guess psychiatrically impaired folks begging for help are pretty far down his To Do list?
We all set our priorities according to our own values, don't we?
Abbie
Posted by rskontos on March 8, 2008, at 14:38:27
In reply to Re: How busy can one be? VERY busy! See.... » star008, posted by AbbieNormal on March 8, 2008, at 13:20:55
That did not take that long to write...and as for the afore mentioned stated "I'd do my best to make sure there's effective communication between the membership and the leadership." ahem......I'd beg to disagree.......rsk
but then again, think Lab rat.....I am getting bitter I believe and I feel so unsafe especially given all I feel I have revealed on this site. I tsk tsk. this is me shaking my head. rsk
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 8, 2008, at 14:46:58
In reply to Re: How busy can one be? VERY busy! See...., posted by rskontos on March 8, 2008, at 14:38:27
> That did not take that long to write...and as for the afore mentioned stated "I'd do my best to make sure there's effective communication between the membership and the leadership." ahem......I'd beg to disagree.......rsk
>
> but then again, think Lab rat.....I am getting bitter I believe and I feel so unsafe especially given all I feel I have revealed on this site. I tsk tsk. this is me shaking my head. rskrskontos,
You wrote,[...lab rat...I am getting bitter...I feel so unsafe...tsk tsk...].
Could you expound more about what you have posted here? If you could, then I could have more infomation to post a more comprehensive response.
Lou
Posted by star008 on March 8, 2008, at 15:39:15
In reply to Re: How busy can one be? VERY busy! See...., posted by rskontos on March 8, 2008, at 14:38:27
rsk,, i have quit posting on psych but have been following this and wanting to see wht happens. Yes, lab rats comes to mind for me. Research papers, IMO watching the reactions of people must be interesting for some. If I look at babble as the coral reef then does it mean that individual feelings are not of concern? just wondering here. No disrespect intended and i am trying to word this right. And what happens if little pieces of the reef break off and start to float away? Does it matter? Will they just be replaced with other pieces to make up the whole?
But I am not really talking about pieces of coral here.To me, this is about individuals with feelings and worries. Each piece of coral is as important as the next as they all make up the reef. I feel so sad about this. Not sad for me since I do not have as much invested in babble as some, i have not been here very long. I feel sad and unimportant. kinda like a sea slug
Posted by star008 on March 8, 2008, at 15:44:15
In reply to Re: How busy can one be? VERY busy! See.... » star008, posted by AbbieNormal on March 8, 2008, at 13:20:55
yes, i see how one can be so busy now. I wonder if "i hurt people on a regular basis" would be a good qualification if I were running for office?
i may get slapped for this one but IMO there is so much hurt here that could be avoided
Posted by muffled on March 8, 2008, at 16:15:21
In reply to Re: How busy can one be? VERY busy! See.... » rskontos, posted by star008 on March 8, 2008, at 15:39:15
Wow, long link!
Sea slugs are gorgeous complex creatures! There's lotsa kinds. We saw two diff kinds of gorgeous ones last weekend, it was WONDERFUL!
:-)
M
Posted by Kath on March 8, 2008, at 18:59:16
In reply to Re: How busy can one be? VERY busy! See.... » star008, posted by AbbieNormal on March 8, 2008, at 13:20:55
> http://www.ismho.org/builder//?p=page&id=228
>
> I guess psychiatrically impaired folks begging for help are pretty far down his To Do list?
>********* Actually, Abbie - it's #6 on the ISMHO list!!!
"Mission Statement:
The International Society for Mental Health Online (ISMHO) was formed in 1997 to promote the understanding, use and development of online communication, information and technology for the international mental health community. To this end, ISMHO seeks to:
#6 in the list is:
6. develop standards for online interactions between mental health professionals and consumers"
Hmmmmmmm. I would think that any president of the above orginazation would take the various points of its Mission Statement very seriously.I understand busy-ness. I guess I don't understand priorities.
Kath
Posted by Kath on March 8, 2008, at 19:08:28
In reply to It's #6 on the list. » AbbieNormal, posted by Kath on March 8, 2008, at 18:59:16
I should read:
"Mission Statement:
The International Society for Mental Health Online (ISMHO) was formed in 1997 to promote the understanding, use and development of online communication, information and technology for the international mental health community. To this end, ISMHO seeks to:
6. develop standards for online interactions between mental health professionals and consumers"and THEN say, #6 on the ISMHO list is: etc.
Sorry. Kath
Posted by star008 on March 9, 2008, at 4:25:38
In reply to Sea slugs » star008, posted by muffled on March 8, 2008, at 16:15:21
Posted by star008 on March 9, 2008, at 7:26:37
In reply to Sorry - one quote was in the wrong place......, posted by Kath on March 8, 2008, at 19:08:28
The mission statement sounds as though the goal is to develop communication standards..I don't think there are any standards at this time, do you?
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 9, 2008, at 8:06:06
In reply to Re: Sorry - one quote was in the wrong place...... » Kath, posted by star008 on March 9, 2008, at 7:26:37
> The mission statement sounds as though the goal is to develop communication standards..I don't think there are any standards at this time, do you?
star008,
You wrote,[...to develop communication standards...I don't think there are any...do you?..]
Years ago, a guest of Mr. Hsiung was here named Kali Munro (sp)?. That person and myself were in dialog here and there was posted to me by Kali a statement using the phrase, "the rules".
Where are these rules, and to whome are they revealed? My friends, there has been a body of thought that was popularized about 40 years ago that have strikingly similar uses of phrases that are used in the administration of this site. I was a critic of that system when it was popularized in 1970 or so. Since time has run, there are many other critics of that system of communication and the critics agree with what I thought about that system at the conception of the popularity of the books to promote that system. You could email me if you like for this infomation and then have possibly some additional infomation to make your own informed determination as to if what was popularized 40 years ago is similar to "the rules" that can be seen in this site's administration. For Mr.Hsiung has made rules here about a year ago that I am unsure as to if I can post links to other's writings or even post links here of a post that has been allowed to stand here.
For those that could want to search on their own, one could start by doing a search using the names, Thomas A. Harris and Lenarrd Bernstein who changed his name. (redacted by respondent) this system but would like to email about. Then by email, I would like to show you where those two authors could have had access to other infomation going back centuries, but that the new rules here made about a year ago or so make it unsure to me as to if I can post that here.
Lou
lpilder_1188@fuse.net
(there is an "underscore" after my name before the 1188)
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 9, 2008, at 8:13:31
In reply to Lou's reply to star008's post-imok, posted by Lou Pilder on March 9, 2008, at 8:06:06
Posted by rskontos on March 9, 2008, at 13:21:46
In reply to Lou's reply to rskonto's post-labratbitr » rskontos, posted by Lou Pilder on March 8, 2008, at 14:46:58
Lou, I feel that since Dr. Bob wrote that letter to the Pres. candidates about effective communication between membership and leadership yet here we all are asking for direction and clarification and yet nothing from him in this regard, I am now feeling like a science experiment and I have disclosed very very personal things here. I feel much like I have been let down. Like to him, I am nothing but a lab rat in a cage. That is what I meant. And suddenly I have nothing more to share. It has never been easy for me to open up, I took a huge chance to open up on the psychology board saying the things I have said, I have not posted there since this issue has come to like, I have a deep pit of nothingness in my chest like I have been once again used to just be studied. That is what i meant. I am just waiting now to see what happens. It has been disturbing to say in the least. Somehow this issue has made me feel that all my revelations will come back to bite me in the *ss. You know what i mean.
rsk
Posted by Kath on March 9, 2008, at 18:31:58
In reply to Re: Sorry - one quote was in the wrong place...... » Kath, posted by star008 on March 9, 2008, at 7:26:37
> The mission statement sounds as though the goal is to develop communication standards..I don't think there are any standards at this time, do you?
Yes - I agree .
Kath
Posted by Kath on March 9, 2008, at 18:33:56
In reply to Re: Sorry - one quote was in the wrong place...... » Kath, posted by star008 on March 9, 2008, at 7:26:37
> The mission statement sounds as though the goal is to develop communication standards..I don't think there are any standards at this time, do you?
Sorry - that might not have been clear.
I agree that the mission statement sounds as though the goal is to develop communication standards
and I don't think there are any standards in place at present.
:-) Kath
Posted by Kath on March 9, 2008, at 18:45:44
In reply to Re: Lou's reply to rskonto's post-labratbitr, posted by rskontos on March 9, 2008, at 13:21:46
> I feel that since Dr. Bob wrote that letter to the Pres. candidates about effective communication between membership and leadership yet here we all are asking for direction and clarification and yet nothing from him in this regard, I am now feeling like a science experiment and I have disclosed very very personal things here. I feel much like I have been let down. Like to him, I am nothing but a lab rat in a cage. I am just waiting now to see what happens. It has been disturbing to say in the least.
**********I feel much the same as you've stated above.
I feel like part of a lab experiment that is being observed dispationately, unemotionally & uncaringly.
It doesn't feel at all good. Was I promised more? I guess not. Does that make it feel ok? No it doesn't.
I don't feel like posting, & I haven't been, really.
Kath
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 10, 2008, at 5:07:47
In reply to Re: Lou's reply to rskonto's post-labratbitr, posted by rskontos on March 9, 2008, at 13:21:46
> Lou, I feel that since Dr. Bob wrote that letter to the Pres. candidates about effective communication between membership and leadership yet here we all are asking for direction and clarification and yet nothing from him in this regard, I am now feeling like a science experiment and I have disclosed very very personal things here. I feel much like I have been let down. Like to him, I am nothing but a lab rat in a cage. That is what I meant. And suddenly I have nothing more to share. It has never been easy for me to open up, I took a huge chance to open up on the psychology board saying the things I have said, I have not posted there since this issue has come to like, I have a deep pit of nothingness in my chest like I have been once again used to just be studied. That is what i meant. I am just waiting now to see what happens. It has been disturbing to say in the least. Somehow this issue has made me feel that all my revelations will come back to bite me in the *ss. You know what i mean.
>
> rskrsk,
You wrote,[...nothing from him...feeling like a science experiment...feel..like I have been let down...I am nothing...I have nothing...not posted there since...a deep pit of nothingness...I am just waiting...It has been disturbing...].
I think that your post shows, to me, something that stands out from being a member/participant of this site at this time in relation to the goals of the forum of being for support and education. Looking at the words posted by you such as the words {nothing}, {feel}, {let down}, {just}, {not}, {am}, {deep pit},{disturbing}, I see an overall perception indicated by your words that stand out to me.
There is a method of using words written to deduce what a person's psychological profile is at the time that they write such. I am not an expert at doing that, but perhaps there is someone here that has that expertise and could post to you in this thread concerning your feelings here.
I also know of a remedy for the feelings that you express here in your post but there have been new rules made here about a year ago and I am unsure as to if I could post links and posts from here that have been left to stand here that talk about the remedy for your feelings that you have posted here.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 10, 2008, at 5:11:52
In reply to Lou's reply to rskonto-suprtneducatn » rskontos, posted by Lou Pilder on March 10, 2008, at 5:07:47
> > Lou, I feel that since Dr. Bob wrote that letter to the Pres. candidates about effective communication between membership and leadership yet here we all are asking for direction and clarification and yet nothing from him in this regard, I am now feeling like a science experiment and I have disclosed very very personal things here. I feel much like I have been let down. Like to him, I am nothing but a lab rat in a cage. That is what I meant. And suddenly I have nothing more to share. It has never been easy for me to open up, I took a huge chance to open up on the psychology board saying the things I have said, I have not posted there since this issue has come to like, I have a deep pit of nothingness in my chest like I have been once again used to just be studied. That is what i meant. I am just waiting now to see what happens. It has been disturbing to say in the least. Somehow this issue has made me feel that all my revelations will come back to bite me in the *ss. You know what i mean.
> >
> > rsk
>
> rsk,
> You wrote,[...nothing from him...feeling like a science experiment...feel..like I have been let down...I am nothing...I have nothing...not posted there since...a deep pit of nothingness...I am just waiting...It has been disturbing...].
> I think that your post shows, to me, something that stands out from being a member/participant of this site at this time in relation to the goals of the forum of being for support and education. Looking at the words posted by you such as the words {nothing}, {feel}, {let down}, {just}, {not}, {am}, {deep pit},{disturbing}, I see an overall perception indicated by your words that stand out to me.
> There is a method of using words written to deduce what a person's psychological profile is at the time that they write such. I am not an expert at doing that, but perhaps there is someone here that has that expertise and could post to you in this thread concerning your feelings here.
> I also know of a remedy for the feelings that you express here in your post but there have been new rules made here about a year ago and I am unsure as to if I could post links and posts from here that have been left to stand here that talk about the remedy for your feelings that you have posted here.
> Loursk,
If you would like to discuss what I am unsure about as to if I could post links and past posts from here that have been left to stand, we could email if you like.
Lou
lpilder_1188@fuse.net
Posted by rskontos on March 10, 2008, at 14:42:33
In reply to Lou's reply to rskonto-email, posted by Lou Pilder on March 10, 2008, at 5:11:52
Thanks Lou, I appreciate the offer, it isn't really up to you though it is up to Bob, I am omitting the dr now because he is just bob. He needs to offer up the goods so to speak. I really do appreciate your offer to try and make me feel better. Kath is right maybe it was never his intent to make us feel safe here but somehow I did and now I don't. Maybe Dinah's resignation was just the catalyst that lead to the storm. I don't want her to feel bad. But now he must for staying silent which I perceive as another experiment on Bob's part and not busy(iness) at all.
Again, thanks
If I think of anything to email you about I will. I just feel empty right now without much to say, I will watch and see.
rsk
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 10, 2008, at 20:36:47
In reply to Re: Lou's reply to rskonto-email, posted by rskontos on March 10, 2008, at 14:42:33
> Thanks Lou, I appreciate the offer, it isn't really up to you though it is up to Bob, I am omitting the dr now because he is just bob. He needs to offer up the goods so to speak. I really do appreciate your offer to try and make me feel better. Kath is right maybe it was never his intent to make us feel safe here but somehow I did and now I don't. Maybe Dinah's resignation was just the catalyst that lead to the storm. I don't want her to feel bad. But now he must for staying silent which I perceive as another experiment on Bob's part and not busy(iness) at all.
>
> Again, thanks
>
> If I think of anything to email you about I will. I just feel empty right now without much to say, I will watch and see.
>
> rskrsk,
You wrote,[...maybe it was never his intent...].
Some generally accepted meanings of {intent} are that there is a design or purpose to what is intended. As to determining as to if there is intent or not, one can go to the TOS here and try to determmine if there is an intent and if so, to determine as to what is the intention.
Going to the TOS here, Mr. Hsiung posts a request for members to trust him in two aspects.
One is to trust him that he is doing his best to be fair and the other is to trust him that he is doing what in his thinking will be good for the community as a whole.
Since these are requests to {trust}, a generally accepted meaning of to {trust} is to place confidence or reliance in some type of relationship for something in the future to be delivered. These things could be what the goal of the forum is for, which is for support and education.
To determine if that is the intent of Mr. Hsiung here or not could be determined by as to see if what is what the members could think is intended is in fact delivered as to the members receiving what they think is what is intended, support and education.
This placing of confidence is sometimes thought of as a {promissory note}, like a check, which is a promise to pay. Sometimes one will give a check to someone and stop-payment before it is cashed and the recipiant goes to the bank and is told that the check will not be honored. Sometimes when someone has a check not honored by the bank it could be because there is insufficient funds in the account and sometimes the check could be a forgery. If the check is not honored by the bank, then the maker of the check could be a debter to the one that the check was made to, for the promise to deliver was not honored.
To be continued...
Lou
Posted by Phoenix1 on March 10, 2008, at 20:56:52
In reply to Lou's reply to rskonto-dbtr? » rskontos, posted by Lou Pilder on March 10, 2008, at 20:36:47
Lou, Lou, it's too late for that. Just tell us what you really think. Civility rules be damned. It's a sinking ship here and we're all going down together!
> > Thanks Lou, I appreciate the offer, it isn't really up to you though it is up to Bob, I am omitting the dr now because he is just bob. He needs to offer up the goods so to speak. I really do appreciate your offer to try and make me feel better. Kath is right maybe it was never his intent to make us feel safe here but somehow I did and now I don't. Maybe Dinah's resignation was just the catalyst that lead to the storm. I don't want her to feel bad. But now he must for staying silent which I perceive as another experiment on Bob's part and not busy(iness) at all.
> >
> > Again, thanks
> >
> > If I think of anything to email you about I will. I just feel empty right now without much to say, I will watch and see.
> >
> > rsk
>
> rsk,
> You wrote,[...maybe it was never his intent...].
> Some generally accepted meanings of {intent} are that there is a design or purpose to what is intended. As to determining as to if there is intent or not, one can go to the TOS here and try to determmine if there is an intent and if so, to determine as to what is the intention.
> Going to the TOS here, Mr. Hsiung posts a request for members to trust him in two aspects.
> One is to trust him that he is doing his best to be fair and the other is to trust him that he is doing what in his thinking will be good for the community as a whole.
> Since these are requests to {trust}, a generally accepted meaning of to {trust} is to place confidence or reliance in some type of relationship for something in the future to be delivered. These things could be what the goal of the forum is for, which is for support and education.
> To determine if that is the intent of Mr. Hsiung here or not could be determined by as to see if what is what the members could think is intended is in fact delivered as to the members receiving what they think is what is intended, support and education.
> This placing of confidence is sometimes thought of as a {promissory note}, like a check, which is a promise to pay. Sometimes one will give a check to someone and stop-payment before it is cashed and the recipiant goes to the bank and is told that the check will not be honored. Sometimes when someone has a check not honored by the bank it could be because there is insufficient funds in the account and sometimes the check could be a forgery. If the check is not honored by the bank, then the maker of the check could be a debter to the one that the check was made to, for the promise to deliver was not honored.
> To be continued...
> Lou
>
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 11, 2008, at 5:43:22
In reply to Lou's reply to rskonto-dbtr? » rskontos, posted by Lou Pilder on March 10, 2008, at 20:36:47
> > Thanks Lou, I appreciate the offer, it isn't really up to you though it is up to Bob, I am omitting the dr now because he is just bob. He needs to offer up the goods so to speak. I really do appreciate your offer to try and make me feel better. Kath is right maybe it was never his intent to make us feel safe here but somehow I did and now I don't. Maybe Dinah's resignation was just the catalyst that lead to the storm. I don't want her to feel bad. But now he must for staying silent which I perceive as another experiment on Bob's part and not busy(iness) at all.
> >
> > Again, thanks
> >
> > If I think of anything to email you about I will. I just feel empty right now without much to say, I will watch and see.
> >
> > rsk
>
> rsk,
> You wrote,[...maybe it was never his intent...].
> Some generally accepted meanings of {intent} are that there is a design or purpose to what is intended. As to determining as to if there is intent or not, one can go to the TOS here and try to determmine if there is an intent and if so, to determine as to what is the intention.
> Going to the TOS here, Mr. Hsiung posts a request for members to trust him in two aspects.
> One is to trust him that he is doing his best to be fair and the other is to trust him that he is doing what in his thinking will be good for the community as a whole.
> Since these are requests to {trust}, a generally accepted meaning of to {trust} is to place confidence or reliance in some type of relationship for something in the future to be delivered. These things could be what the goal of the forum is for, which is for support and education.
> To determine if that is the intent of Mr. Hsiung here or not could be determined by as to see if what is what the members could think is intended is in fact delivered as to the members receiving what they think is what is intended, support and education.
> This placing of confidence is sometimes thought of as a {promissory note}, like a check, which is a promise to pay. Sometimes one will give a check to someone and stop-payment before it is cashed and the recipiant goes to the bank and is told that the check will not be honored. Sometimes when someone has a check not honored by the bank it could be because there is insufficient funds in the account and sometimes the check could be a forgery. If the check is not honored by the bank, then the maker of the check could be a debter to the one that the check was made to, for the promise to deliver was not honored.
> To be continued...
> LouLet us go on to see if a determination can or can not be made here concerning the situation at hand here.
The TOS here states that Mr. Hsiung wants to be open to feedback which is coupled with the statemnet requesting that members try to accept what he decides and trust him to be fair and that he does what in his thinking will be good for the community as a whole.
A generally accepted meaniing of {feedback} is that there is a {controlling source} and that those giving feedback to the controlling source could be looking for the controlling source to be corrected or clarified. If one assumes that there is a {trust} involved in this wanting to have feedback from reading Mr. Hsiung's TOS here, then could not there be members here that expect the feedback that is written as in the TOS here to be delivered?
If so, then those expecting delivery and the feedback is not delivered, could then those people suffer from some type of anxiety from such as disappointment and unfulfilled expectations that they thought were something to be expected as some type of promise? An if so, how could that situation to those people effect their mental health? Would a situation like that facillitate support from others if they are experiancing anxiety from the unrealized expectation of their feedback not being delivered? In another sense, could those people that expect feedback and the feedback is not delivered, be subjected to a situation where they can not get support from other members here because of the anxiety that they experiance from the undelivered, that they expect, to be delivered and so that their focus is away from suppport from others about what they originally were seeking?
to be continued...
Lou
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