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Posted by alexandra_k on May 28, 2005, at 23:13:12
In reply to ..., posted by chemist on May 28, 2005, at 21:39:40
> the question ``will i vomit if i take Gravol and [insert noun here]?'' is xxx...
Pretty useful information for somebody wanting to know xxx.
Posted by 10derHeart on May 29, 2005, at 0:07:56
In reply to Re: ... » chemist, posted by alexandra_k on May 28, 2005, at 23:13:12
> Pretty useful information for somebody wanting to know xxx.Point very well taken. That was my serious concern as well.
Without getting too far into it and thus turning out sounding utterly hypocritical,
There was a past time in my life
When xxx....well, you get the idea.Thus, that's why I also agree when you wrote...
>> I'd prefer people didn't post ways in which to harm or attempt to harm themselves on the boards.
I want all posters to feel free to vent
To express pain
To say what's on their minds
Certainly to discuss suicidal urges/thoughts/feelings
But there have to be boundaries
Boundaries are *very* important for safety of all
Including, absolutely, those very posters who may wish to post about these specifics.
IMO, not doing so could end up helping as much as being freely allowed to do so.
I'm no expert, and can't back that up scientifically or anything.
Just my personal opinion on what's best for the community at Babble.Is there a rule or FAQ in place about posting about "ways?" I think not, but I miss things a lot...
Posted by chemist on May 29, 2005, at 0:30:28
In reply to Re: ... » chemist, posted by alexandra_k on May 28, 2005, at 23:13:12
> > the question ``will i vomit if i take Gravol and [insert noun here]?'' is xxx...
>
> Pretty useful information for somebody wanting to know xxx....or any person who is visually-impaired or unable to read English or French: the package containing Gravol is headed by a large-font title, followed by the English and French descriptors Anti-Nauseant'' and ``Anti-naus\'ees'' (pardon my accent acute).
the manufacturer - on their website, available in English and French translations - is bold enough to claim that ``Across Canada, GRAVOL is considered the gold standard as an all-purpose general anti-nauseant.'' assuming this is accurate, residents of countries other than Canada are now thus informed that they cannot obtain this wonderful product.
what is most interesting to me is that a person who claims to be a resident of Canada and is able to read and write in English has posted such a query at all...something is very amiss, in my opinion, and it is not related to Gravol, Tylenol #3, or whether or not i am nauseated right now...tschuss, chemist
Posted by Gabbi-x-2 on May 29, 2005, at 1:20:35
In reply to Re: ... » alexandra_k, posted by chemist on May 29, 2005, at 0:30:28
> > > the question ``will i vomit if i take Gravol and [insert noun here]?'' is xxx...
> >
> > Pretty useful information for somebody wanting to know xxx.
>
*sigh*Hi Chemist
I know you would not knowingly advise someone on how to effectively OD, and I've seen you refuse to do it at least twice before.
Posted by Deneb on May 29, 2005, at 1:50:41
In reply to Re: ... » alexandra_k, posted by chemist on May 29, 2005, at 0:30:28
> what is most interesting to me is that a person who claims to be a resident of Canada and is able to read and write in English has posted such a query at all...something is very amiss, in my opinion, and it is not related to Gravol, Tylenol #3, or whether or not i am nauseated right now...tschuss, chemist
I now know that I shouldn't have posted the question...I already know the answer. I just wanted to know if an OTC anti-emetic is as effective as I've heard a certain prescription anti-emetic is. What do you mean by "something is very amiss?" I AM in Canada.
I'm sorry for posting the question. I thought my question was ok, but since it is so controversial I won't post anything like that again. (I hope)
Posted by chemist on May 29, 2005, at 2:49:07
In reply to Re: ... » chemist, posted by Deneb on May 29, 2005, at 1:50:41
> > what is most interesting to me is that a person who claims to be a resident of Canada and is able to read and write in English has posted such a query at all...something is very amiss, in my opinion, and it is not related to Gravol, Tylenol #3, or whether or not i am nauseated right now...tschuss, chemist
>
> I now know that I shouldn't have posted the question...I already know the answer. I just wanted to know if an OTC anti-emetic is as effective as I've heard a certain prescription anti-emetic is. What do you mean by "something is very amiss?" I AM in Canada.
>
> I'm sorry for posting the question. I thought my question was ok, but since it is so controversial I won't post anything like that again. (I hope)
>hello there, chemist here...the ``something is very amiss'' was in reference to what you have cleared, just above...i.e., you knew the answer and there was/is more to the question...there are different brand names for common OTC/rx products that might be cause for alarm (or, equally worrisome, no alarm) if unknown to the parties involved...
hence my post: my point - sadly, ignored and/or missed entirely by almost all who responded - was that Gravol is actually, truly, really a product that inhibits vomiting...frankly, your post would have drawn little to no attention if you instead rambled on about washing down a tablet of Pax with some red wine: you might be mistaken for a good Catholic instead of a South African resident (for instance) wishing to mix diazepam with ethanol...
all the best and i certainly do not feel your question was/is controversial, nor will i supply any information other than ``it says so on the label,'' and of course i encourage you to walk away from any intentions that are injurious to yourself or others....be well, yours, chemist
Posted by Dinah on May 29, 2005, at 10:13:56
In reply to Since you've been over the board, posted by Dinah on May 28, 2005, at 17:59:05
My question was purely based on wanting to understand the rules. Both as a deputy, and as someone who may someday want to post something about plans, and who has hitherto had a certain understanding of the limitations allowed in that.
Also (and I hesitate to post this), my understanding based on the ingredients included in gravol is that... well, never mind. I don't want to post it. But my understanding is that gravol itself is not as harmless as candy, how's that.
Posted by Dr. Bob on May 29, 2005, at 14:18:38
In reply to Since you've been over the board, posted by Dinah on May 28, 2005, at 17:59:05
> it's ok to post medication combinations that may be dangerous, so long as you leave out specific doseages?
All medication combinations may be dangerous? In some ways, I think it's more problematic when the question's answered than when it's asked...
Bob
Posted by Dinah on May 29, 2005, at 14:20:26
In reply to Re: medication combinations, posted by Dr. Bob on May 29, 2005, at 14:18:38
So asking a question is always ok? With doseages or without?
Answering a question is not ok? With doseages?
Posted by Dr. Bob on May 29, 2005, at 14:24:01
In reply to ..., posted by chemist on May 28, 2005, at 21:39:40
> the question ``will i vomit if i take Gravol and [insert noun here]?'' is xxx...
Please don't discuss specific ways of harming oneself.
If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by Dinah on May 29, 2005, at 14:25:08
In reply to Re: please be civil » chemist, posted by Dr. Bob on May 29, 2005, at 14:24:01
I'm totally confused now.
Could you please start from scratch and give a full overview of your position on this topic?
Posted by alexandra_k on May 29, 2005, at 18:01:23
In reply to What???? » Dr. Bob, posted by Dinah on May 29, 2005, at 14:25:08
Maybe it is to do with...
It is okay to ask
But it isn't okay to post information that a poster could use to harm themselves
Which is basically whether it is okay to answer...
Posted by jay on May 29, 2005, at 18:38:59
In reply to Re: medication combinations, posted by Dr. Bob on May 29, 2005, at 14:18:38
> > it's ok to post medication combinations that may be dangerous, so long as you leave out specific doseages?
>
> All medication combinations may be dangerous? In some ways, I think it's more problematic when the question's answered than when it's asked...
>
> BobBob...a part of me does believe in 'rational' suicide. But I really don't think it is a good idea to allow the exchange of lethal drug combinations, or way's to harm one self. Yes, there are many other websites that contain this information, but is this site not about attaining good mental health? Or is it just exchange of information? I don't have the answers...I'd like to continue to see us discuss this issue though.
Sincerely,
Jay
Posted by chemist on May 29, 2005, at 20:11:38
In reply to Re: please be civil » chemist, posted by Dr. Bob on May 29, 2005, at 14:24:01
> > the question ``will i vomit if i take Gravol and [insert noun here]?'' is xxx...
>
> Please don't discuss specific ways of harming oneself.
*** sorry, i will stay clear....all the best, chemist ***
>
> If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
>
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bob
Posted by Dinah on May 29, 2005, at 20:53:53
In reply to Re: please be civil » chemist, posted by Dr. Bob on May 29, 2005, at 14:24:01
I'm asking as a deputy who needs to understand the rules.
I'm asking on board because it might be useful for other people to understand as well.
I certainly didn't expect Chemist to get a PBC for the answer he gave.
Posted by AuntieMel on May 30, 2005, at 16:32:31
In reply to I really do need you to explain in full » Dr. Bob, posted by Dinah on May 29, 2005, at 20:53:53
I mean - the medication he was talking about was one that is supposed to be anti-nausea.
Posted by 10derHeart on May 30, 2005, at 17:00:13
In reply to Re: I agree with Dinah, Dr. Bob, posted by AuntieMel on May 30, 2005, at 16:32:31
Posted by Deneb on May 30, 2005, at 21:35:56
In reply to Re: I agree with Dinah, Dr. Bob, posted by AuntieMel on May 30, 2005, at 16:32:31
I decided to post this here because I don't want to bother you too much by sending you an e-mail. I just want to say that I'm very very sorry if I've made you uncomfortable at any time with any of my posts...especially with those that talk about how hurt I am/will be, by blocks...like this one:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/social/20050525/msgs/503987.html
I just want you to know that I don't deserve any special leeway whatsoever just because of how upset I can get because of getting blocked. Like I mentioned before, neither I ,nor my family will ever blame you or this site if anything bad should happen to me because of something that happened here.
Also, I am still extremely sorry for sending you two very inappropriate e-mails a while ago. I've lost the very bad note I wrote, but I promise I will find it and destroy it promptly. It is still in my room somewhere...I'm sure I will destroy it before I die. (Not that I'm going to die anytime soon, but no one knows when they are going to die, so I better do it soon.)
I cross my heart, hope to die and stick a needle in my eye promise that I will try to not be so crazy so that I can go to the babble party in Toronto next year and not do something like try to jump off a certain very very tall building.
I really really wish I could say that I'll be ok when I get blocked, but I can't...but *please* never let this be a reason to not block me because it is not fair to other people. I really hope you understand what I am saying.
Thanks for listening
jenny
Posted by Deneb on May 30, 2005, at 23:24:33
In reply to Re: I am sooo sorry Dr. Bob, posted by Deneb on May 30, 2005, at 21:35:56
I know I'm simply a speck of dust in this universe. I am no more important to you or this place than lint. I know my life is insignificant here. I apologize for thinking that you would even be bothered by me a tiny little bit. Just know that I'm very sorry that I've wasted your time in attempting to apologize to you. No reply is necessary.
Posted by Deneb on May 30, 2005, at 23:38:22
In reply to Re: I am sooo sorry Dr. Bob, posted by Deneb on May 30, 2005, at 23:24:33
Oh no, I did it again. I put myself down and now you or others might feel bad...ahhhh...it is a no win situation.
Ummmm...just ignore me. I'm good. It's all good. All is well. :-)
Posted by Dr. Bob on May 31, 2005, at 3:32:37
In reply to Re: please be civil » Dr. Bob, posted by chemist on May 29, 2005, at 20:11:38
Posted by Dr. Bob on May 31, 2005, at 3:54:30
In reply to Re: medication combinations » Dr. Bob, posted by Dinah on May 29, 2005, at 14:20:26
> So asking a question is always ok? With doseages or without?
>
> Answering a question is not ok? With doseages?The idea is not to discuss specific ways of harming oneself. I guess discussing is asking or answering, but sometimes the question is about safety rather than danger, and then I've tended to let it go. Even though saying x dose is safe may help someone else harm themselves, since then they know to take more than x. In this case, I thought the combination rather than dosages made it "specific". Does that make any more sense?
Bob
Posted by Deneb on May 31, 2005, at 10:01:35
In reply to Re: I am sorry about being sorry that I'm sorry, posted by Deneb on May 30, 2005, at 23:38:22
I'm a real person, please believe me. My intentions are good, please believe me. I tell the truth almost always. I'm going to try to not tell the truth so much that I make others upset. Please believe that I'm a real person who doesn't want to harm others. I really don't know how to act sometimes and I'm really sorry. I'm promise to survive so I can go to next year's Babble party and have an adventure. Then people will know I am a real person and I can have lots of fun.
jenny
Posted by AuntieMel on May 31, 2005, at 10:03:55
In reply to Re: please be civil » chemist, posted by Dr. Bob on May 29, 2005, at 14:24:01
Ok, when I first saw these posts I hadn't looked at the thread on social to see what else was going on. I merely thought there was a question if the two together would cause vomitting.
I certainly didn't see the jump from that to self harm.
Perhaps chemist did the same thing?????
Posted by Deneb on May 31, 2005, at 10:54:23
In reply to Re: I'm a real person, posted by Deneb on May 31, 2005, at 10:01:35
I'm sorry for assuming that people will want to meet me. I'm quite pathetic really...my social life consists entirely of interacting with people here. I promise I'm not as crazy in real life. I'm just a quiet person. I'm so pathetic it's humiliating...wanting to meet you guys is one thing that makes me want to stay alive. I bet (think, IMO) most people who are going to the party this year don't even give me a second thought. I'm so pathetic it's deplorable. I'm even pathetic for using the word pathetic so many times.
Hmmm...
Gee wiz, the civility guidelines make it so that I can't even assume people have the worst of intentions for me...I hope this is based on reality. Ok, people don't wish death upon me. Ok, can I assume that everyone here doesn't wish death upon me? Ok, will do. I hope I am correct...it is so hard to tell, esp. about whether or not Dr. Bob wishes death upon me. OK, I don't know what I'm saying anymore. It sounds silly to type that up now. I think I'm more happy now. OK, I'm good. I promise now not to kill myself so I can have an adventure in Toronto next year. It will be fun. :-)
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