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Posted by JenStar on November 8, 2004, at 23:00:28
In reply to Thank you too, Jenstar., posted by Dinah on November 8, 2004, at 22:29:46
(((Dinah)))
...although I apparently spoke too soon about the 'political talk' being over. Yikes!
I'm sorry that some people are making personal slurs instead of focusing on global issues. I think sometimes people get carried away and say things they (hopefully!) regret later.
Anyway, take care, take heart...the election talk MUST die down soon (hopefully!) and we can all get back to our regular business here...
JenStar
Posted by Dinah on November 8, 2004, at 23:06:31
In reply to Re: And have I stopped beating my wife?, posted by yoshimi on November 8, 2004, at 22:53:51
I was just distracted by the other poster, not attempting to ignore your post. I appreciate what you said.
I'm not sure I see any point to all of this. My point was to ask Dr. Bob if he considered this civil. Choosing not to read this type of post would not in any way make this better for me. It would just feel like people saying things behind my back. And while I know it's not directed to me in particular, the fact is that it's directed to me. If someone says all people who voted for Bush are XXX, then they are saying that I am XXX. They don't need to name me by name. If something is done to an entire class of people, it is done to a member of that class by default. I'm not taking it personally. I'm taking it as a statement about a class of people, of which I am one.
Posted by Sad Panda on November 8, 2004, at 23:07:23
In reply to Re: And have I stopped beating my wife? » Sad Panda, posted by Dinah on November 8, 2004, at 22:53:47
> You gave me a Hobson's choice list of reasons for voting for a candidate. My answer was merely offering you another. Why would you think that meant I was talking down to you? Did you expect me to say that I was pro war, antihomosexual, or in favor of tax cuts for the wealthy?
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> Those are hardly questions one would expect as prelude to an open and respectful dialog about ideas. Nor are references to Hitler or harming a spouse for oil.
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>LOL!, you are the one posting all the highly insulting (nm) messages.
Posted by Dinah on November 8, 2004, at 23:09:19
In reply to Re: And have I stopped beating my wife?, posted by Sad Panda on November 8, 2004, at 23:07:23
Posted by yoshimi on November 8, 2004, at 23:09:30
In reply to Re: Thank you too, Jenstar. » Dinah, posted by JenStar on November 8, 2004, at 23:00:28
Hi
I appreciate your positivity. But with all due respect, the election has exacerbated my symptoms and freaked the hell out of me. And I am sure I am not the only one, so I can at least say for myself that I feel like it is part of a my life that affects me as strongly as someone with other issues in their life, like relationship problems drug problems school problems work problems or whatever.
Im not trying to be argumentative, I just dont think that curbing talk about the election is the answer. I need to feel free to talk about whatever is bothering me as well as you or anyone else here can talk about what is bothering them.
Posted by Dinah on November 8, 2004, at 23:13:39
In reply to Re: Thank you too, Jenstar. » Dinah, posted by JenStar on November 8, 2004, at 23:00:28
It is to be wished for, although I'm not holding my breath. I *guess* it was fortunate that I first came to the site in 2001.
Posted by yoshimi on November 8, 2004, at 23:15:37
In reply to Re: And have I stopped beating my wife? » yoshimi, posted by Dinah on November 8, 2004, at 23:06:31
Ok, well it had appeared to me that
the people you named had apologized.SO I wasnt sure exaclty what you were after.
Sure people shouldnt post insulting things to each other. Does it make you feel better about it if they get a PBC? This part IM not sure of.
I mean I understand that its not civil and all, and of course we all know that.One thing that I am actually curious about is whether you would feel better if the people saying these things got a PBC, or if you would still the same? I just find the dynamics of this site intersting and that is why I am asking.
Posted by fayeroe on November 8, 2004, at 23:25:55
In reply to Re: Do others now see? » fayeroe, posted by Dinah on November 8, 2004, at 22:56:40
sorry, Dinah, i'm tired and my new trifocals are really weirding me out.......i hate them!!
Posted by Dinah on November 8, 2004, at 23:27:13
In reply to Re: And have I stopped beating my wife?, posted by yoshimi on November 8, 2004, at 23:15:37
I have no desire for the people who apologized to get a PBC. Why should I? Hurting each other and apologizing are part of a relationship. Every relationship. Gardenergirl and Scott are both people that I respect far more than the average person. They are two of my very favorite people.
What I was saying, probably unclearly, was that I never intended this thread to gain the momentum that it has gained. I have actually tried, clearly unsuccessfully, to keep my input to a minimum to slow down the momentum. Because I'm emotionally divorcing Babble, and I don't want to. It saddens me. It's been a big part of my life. I keep turning here to try to invest myself again, to try to maintain the connection, and things keep happening to break it. And I don't want that to happen.
However, my real purpose, as usual, was to fuss at Dr. Bob. And I still think he deserves to be fussed at.
Posted by Dinah on November 8, 2004, at 23:29:38
In reply to Re: Do others now see? » Dinah, posted by fayeroe on November 8, 2004, at 23:25:55
I've been successfully avoiding them till now, but it's only a matter of time till taking my glasses off and squinting no longer works.
Posted by Sad Panda on November 8, 2004, at 23:30:04
In reply to Insulting? How? (nm) » Sad Panda, posted by Dinah on November 8, 2004, at 23:09:19
Posted by yoshimi on November 8, 2004, at 23:40:57
In reply to Re: And have I stopped beating my wife? » yoshimi, posted by Dinah on November 8, 2004, at 23:27:13
I suppose I would see it as more therapeutically beneficial to ask for an apology and voice your hurt to the people who you felt hurt by then to ask Dr. Bob if it is civil. Because was clear that it was uncivil.
Im sorry you feel that you are divorcing babble. You said "I keep turning here to try to invest myself again, to try to maintain the connection, and things keep happening to break it. And I don't want that to happen."
But to me that happens in relationships all the time and its part of the pain of living in our own heads and no one actually being able to *be* us and have had all the same experiences and DNA and all that makes us the person we are. Im not sure exactly what happened to break it this time.
I guess I just see it as the ups and downs of relationships. Or maybe I am just not understanding what is going on.In any case, I will let this thread stop, I know you seem to want it to. I hope you feel better soon.
Posted by Dinah on November 8, 2004, at 23:55:47
In reply to Re: And have I stopped beating my wife? » Dinah, posted by yoshimi on November 8, 2004, at 23:40:57
Well, that was the point. Dr. Bob did his board checks and didn't consider it uncivil. I never really get hurt till that happens.
Perhaps that's something Lou and I have in common and that possibly other people don't share? It's important to me what Dr. Bob does. Dr. Bob acts as a buffer for me. I don't bother getting upset until Dr. Bob doesn't act. It's like people say things and I can let it go without getting overly emotional about it. But if Dr. Bob gives it a tacit seal of approval by passing it without comment, then it's like Babble itself said it.
I dunno. Hard to explain.
Posted by yoshimi on November 9, 2004, at 0:05:27
In reply to Re: And have I stopped beating my wife? » yoshimi, posted by Dinah on November 8, 2004, at 23:55:47
I do understand what you mean.
We differ there in that I prefer when groups police each other. Im in a number of communities in my life where we keep the others *civil* by calling people on their stuff and by group leadership instead of one individual being in charge. I prefer that. Its more by consensus if you will. And it works out fabulously.But I do understand what you mean. ANd i understand why you feel the way you do.
I do want to say though, there may be a time when you think somethign may be uncivil and he might not or vice versa. And that is ok and Babble could still be a safe place. Because sometimes people who think alike still disagree on things.
I know thats happened before so Im not tryint to be patronizing (i think thats how you use that word), I just dont want you to feel badly if you and Dr Bob or anyoen else disagree on something.
My parents and I disagree on quite a few things most of which are huge big deals, but i still love them and they still love me. (Even if they do think im a pinko commie liberal treehugger hehe).
Yoshimi
Posted by Dinah on November 9, 2004, at 0:13:11
In reply to Re: And have I stopped beating my wife? » Dinah, posted by yoshimi on November 9, 2004, at 0:05:27
Posted by SLS on November 9, 2004, at 0:19:12
In reply to Re: And have I stopped beating my wife? » yoshimi, posted by Dinah on November 8, 2004, at 23:55:47
Politics and Religion. It's almost inevitable.
I find that many people enter a completely different mode of thought and behavior when discussing these two subjects. I hope we can all forgive each other our modes.
- Scott
Posted by Dinah on November 9, 2004, at 0:22:49
In reply to Gosh., posted by SLS on November 9, 2004, at 0:19:12
Well, I can. And gladly. But sadly, I think this is my nonreligious, nonpolitical mode as well. :) (Or maybe everything is religious and political in one way or another to me?)
Posted by Sad Panda on November 9, 2004, at 0:31:29
In reply to Gosh., posted by SLS on November 9, 2004, at 0:19:12
> Politics and Religion. It's almost inevitable.
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> I find that many people enter a completely different mode of thought and behavior when discussing these two subjects. I hope we can all forgive each other our modes.
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> - Scott
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>Hi Scott,
Religion & Politics are the most popular reasons for people to kill each other, so I guess it's no surprise.
How is Cymbalta going?
Cheers,
Paul.
Posted by TofuEmmy on November 9, 2004, at 0:34:31
In reply to Gosh., posted by SLS on November 9, 2004, at 0:19:12
> Politics and Religion. It's almost inevitable.
>It's particularly difficult when so many of our new "leaders" seem to combine the two....the are actually Politigious.
emmy
Posted by SLS on November 9, 2004, at 0:35:45
In reply to Re: Gosh. » SLS, posted by Dinah on November 9, 2004, at 0:22:49
> Well, I can. And gladly. But sadly, I think this is my nonreligious, nonpolitical mode as well. :) (Or maybe everything is religious and political in one way or another to me?)
I am not surprised that I should have thought of you immediately upon writing that as a good example of someone who has not changed modes. I am happy that you should have recognized this as well. It makes me feel smart that I should have such good judgment. :-) I wish I were as centered as you are. Thanks for sticking around and continuing to engage in this thread. It needed you.
With Love and Respect,
Scott
- Scott
Posted by gardenergirl on November 9, 2004, at 0:37:13
In reply to Do others now see?, posted by Dinah on November 8, 2004, at 20:15:48
Certainly not funny this time....yikes!
gg
Posted by SLS on November 9, 2004, at 1:02:01
In reply to Re: Gosh. » SLS, posted by Sad Panda on November 9, 2004, at 0:31:29
> > Politics and Religion. It's almost inevitable.
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> > I find that many people enter a completely different mode of thought and behavior when discussing these two subjects. I hope we can all forgive each other our modes.
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> > - Scott
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> Hi Scott,
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> Religion & Politics are the most popular reasons for people to kill each other, so I guess it's no surprise.
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> How is Cymbalta going?It's not. Thanks for asking. Cymbalta is not exerting any kind of true antidepressant effect. Maybe I should start a new thread on PB.
- Scott
Posted by gardenergirl on November 9, 2004, at 1:06:49
In reply to Re: And have I stopped beating my wife? » yoshimi, posted by Dinah on November 8, 2004, at 23:27:13
Dinah,
Thanks again for your kind words. I was a bit weirded out by this thread before, and then I came back and saw where it went, and Holy Cannoli!Runaway! Runaway! Runaway!
Clop,clop Clop,clop Clop,clop...
Take care and catch ya on other boards,
gg
Posted by Dr. Bob on November 9, 2004, at 2:31:40
In reply to It's a huge mistake... » Sad Panda, posted by mair on November 8, 2004, at 22:04:29
> I have great difficulty with the concept that people whos political leanings are pro-war also have feelings that are easily hurt with mere words.
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> Sad Panda> the sanctimony of the Christian Right
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> mairPlease don't post anything that could lead others to feel put down. I've asked you to be civil before, so now I'm going to block you from posting for a week.
If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
Follow-ups regarding these issues, as well as replies to the above posts, should of course themselves be civil.
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by Dr. Bob on November 9, 2004, at 2:32:57
In reply to Re: Dr. Bob, you consider this thread civil? » gardenergirl, posted by Dinah on November 8, 2004, at 15:39:17
> I almost never get too angry about things until Dr. Bob gives them a tacit seal of approval. And I just couldn't understand why this got that tacit seal.
Oops, I think I went through too quickly and thought "higher intelligence" and "holier" balanced each other out. Sorry!
Bob
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