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Posted by kara lynne on March 20, 2003, at 0:30:35
In reply to Re: Dr Bob Penalized 15 Yards for Poor Block , posted by Gabbix2 on March 19, 2003, at 15:09:55
I agree completely. Dr.Bob suggests Jay was 'disguising' his 'I's with 'you's'. I guess he could have further disguised his 'you's' with statements like "I feel uncared for by my president." This seems like a kind of ludicrous descent into semantics that works as long as it supports the views of the editor only. Now everyone is playing dodgeball with their words until the whole meaning of communication is lost. I know there have to be guidelines, but if Jay's post is considered uncivil behavior during these times when we're all feeling such volatile responses, I don't think there's much hope left. People blowing each other's heads off, collateral damage...that's uncivil. Isn't banning someone for saying that uncivil?
Posted by Tabitha on March 20, 2003, at 1:04:16
In reply to Then why did he HARM Jay? , posted by J.Brown on March 19, 2003, at 23:48:25
result doesn't prove intent. I'm sure it hurts to get blocked, but that doesn't mean Bob is out to hurt people. I believe him when he says his intent is to keep the board safe for the majority of posters.
Admittedly none of us knows the true Bob.
Posted by J.Brown on March 20, 2003, at 1:11:06
In reply to Re: Then why did he HARM Jay? , posted by Tabitha on March 20, 2003, at 1:04:16
Posted by beardedlady on March 20, 2003, at 7:37:15
In reply to Re: Jay was blocked for not following the rules » Dr. Bob, posted by IsoM on March 19, 2003, at 20:28:57
> Okay then, let's try this -
> I feel VERY put down by the actions of Dr. Bob in regard to the blocking of Jay.As do I.
>Being a fellow Canadian, I realise my "feelings" are bound to be different than many patriotic Americans...
To me, patriotism means taking advantage of the freedoms afforded us by the Constitution. Those freedoms include speech. I feel that by exercising that freedom, I am among the most patriotic of Americans, even--and maybe especially--if my view goes against the powers that be or the status quo.
My concern now is that Dr. Bob blocks people to keep the board safe. How many felt the least bit unsafe when Jay shared his opinion?
If this block is going to be done in the names of posters who felt unsafe, let them stand and be counted. If we are all here in support of this poster, then our safety is NOT the primary concern.
Because of this block, I feel unsafe here.
beardy : (>
Posted by NikkiT2 on March 20, 2003, at 7:43:09
In reply to patriotic Americans--all and » IsoM, posted by beardedlady on March 20, 2003, at 7:37:15
I didn't feel unsafe.. was I was pretty pissed off at some of the stuff Jay put in his post he got a pbc for... but he got pbc'd, and I do believe he took that on board, and there was no reason for the following block.
I wish he was here so I could challenge him on some of the stuff he said in first post ;)
Nikki
Posted by NikkiT2 on March 20, 2003, at 7:46:31
In reply to patriotic Americans--all and » IsoM, posted by beardedlady on March 20, 2003, at 7:37:15
Sorry - it wasn't be PBC one that I meant.. but it was this paragraph that pissed me off..
"-There is now talk that the Eurpoean Union may start to slowly force smaller countries into trading with the Euro (which is valued higher than the U.S. Dollar), which will devalue the American dollar further. The sad part is it will hurt the middle-class average American most at first, "
I just want to know from him why Europe shouldn't strengthen it self!!!
Nikki
Posted by Dinah on March 20, 2003, at 8:13:13
In reply to patriotic Americans--all and » IsoM, posted by beardedlady on March 20, 2003, at 7:37:15
I will stand as one of those.
I have no wish to be forced to defend my country or my president against excessive vitriol. Disagreement certainly. That's fine. Disagreement that sticks to the facts is great. But the intensity of hatred for Bush that has been expressed on this board, and the level of anti-Americanism is extremely unsettling to me.
I wouldn't say anything, but you asked.
And I wasn't particularly surprised at the block. Dr. Bob had referred Jay to the civility guidelines on "I" statements and Jay, I'm sure unintentionally, did exactly what Dr. Bob warned against. Granted I have spent some time trying to understand the civility guidelines and, unlike many, agree with them. So Jay was blocked for not following the rules that Dr. Bob explicitly guided him to read.
Just my opinion as someone who admittedly is distressed by extreme expressions of anger, and as someone who wishes we could all of us keep the level down, and concentrate on support of each other rather than arguing policy.
If you would rather I leave, I am prepared to do so.
Posted by Willow on March 20, 2003, at 8:15:23
In reply to Re: Jay was blocked for not following the rules » Dr. Bob, posted by IsoM on March 19, 2003, at 20:28:57
Posted by IsoM on March 20, 2003, at 9:25:57
In reply to You go GIRL! Proud to say - WE ARE CANADIAN! (nm) » IsoM, posted by Willow on March 20, 2003, at 8:15:23
Thanks, Willow. Life in Canada is pretty easy when compared to most other countries, but it's not that I'm proud to be Canadian, I'm more thankful that I live in Canada. I actually consider myself to be a citizen of our Earth.
Last night I had a dream where there were lots of different cultures & races mixed in. It was a sweet dream - warm & full of friendship. I'd forgotten about it till I started typing this & it triggered the memory. I wish all the world could be like that - mingling & accepting one another, not getting upset with each other for minor misunderstandings & differences.
Posted by Dr. Bob on March 20, 2003, at 10:14:23
In reply to Life under a despotic regime, posted by J.Brown on March 19, 2003, at 21:02:18
> Robert Hsuing is dishonest and a threat to the mental health of group members and of the world community in general.
Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel put down, thanks.
Bob
Posted by stjames on March 20, 2003, at 11:00:19
In reply to Dr Bob.......shameful!!, posted by tina on March 19, 2003, at 8:35:39
I fear this block was politacally motivated.
I any very disappointed in Dr. Bob and now
lack any trust toward him.
Posted by kara lynne on March 20, 2003, at 12:09:42
In reply to Re: Dr Bob Penalized 15 Yards for Poor Block , posted by kara lynne on March 20, 2003, at 0:30:35
I meant dr.bob suggested jay was disguising his 'you's' with his 'I's', or manipulating his 'I' statements into blaming ones.
Posted by Dinah on March 20, 2003, at 12:59:33
In reply to I cast a vote of no confidence for Dr. Bob, posted by stjames on March 20, 2003, at 11:00:19
Why does everyone assume the worst of everybody?
No one knows what Dr. Bob's politics are. He could be joining the war protesters on the streets for all we know.
He just wants to keep Babble for what it's meant for.
Posted by Tabitha on March 20, 2003, at 14:03:03
In reply to Re: I cast a vote of no confidence for Dr. Bob » stjames, posted by Dinah on March 20, 2003, at 12:59:33
Not sure why I'm getting into this at all. Like Dinah said, we have no idea what Doc Bob's politics are. He let several anti-war posts stand. It was the level of vitriol in jay's that was the trigger (probably, I'm guessing).
I'm not really even 'pro' or 'against' this block. I feel bad for Jay since I assumed he was genuinely trying to rephrase his thoughts to keep within guidelines, rather than deliberatly flouting the policy. In his warning post, I don't think Bob linked to the FAQ section, so I doubt Jay saw it. Perhaps Bob thought Jay intentionally did the thing the FAQ said was not allowed. I just assumed Jay tried and failed to rephrase it. I'm sad for the site that in a case like this, Bob doesn't do more educating and less blocking. It's probably too much to ask... but I still wish there could be a little more of the leader stepping in constructively, like in a therapy group.
Regardless, I still believe Bob's intent is to keep things safe for the majority, rather than to hurt people or take sides on politics.
Posted by stjames on March 20, 2003, at 14:05:08
In reply to I cast a vote of no confidence for Dr. Bob, posted by stjames on March 20, 2003, at 11:00:19
Political or not, I still vote no confidence
Posted by NikkiT2 on March 20, 2003, at 14:55:13
In reply to Re: I cast a vote of no confidence for Dr. Bob, posted by stjames on March 20, 2003, at 14:05:08
Would you rather this site was closed down, than Dr Bob to continue as administrator???
Nikki
Posted by OddipusRex on March 20, 2003, at 15:23:19
In reply to Re: I cast a vote of no confidence for Dr. Bob, posted by stjames on March 20, 2003, at 14:05:08
Posted by OddipusRex on March 20, 2003, at 15:38:08
In reply to I declare myself absolute monarch (nm), posted by OddipusRex on March 20, 2003, at 15:23:19
Posted by stjames on March 20, 2003, at 15:46:11
In reply to Out of interest » stjames, posted by NikkiT2 on March 20, 2003, at 14:55:13
> Would you rather this site was closed down, than Dr Bob to continue as administrator???
>
> NikkiI don't support closing this site, that is way off base. I support whatever it takes to have a moderator who makes reasonable decisions on blocks.
Posted by noa on March 20, 2003, at 17:24:43
In reply to Re: Jay was blocked for not following the rules, posted by Dr. Bob on March 19, 2003, at 19:06:19
I still am having a hard time understanding the block.
Jay did phrase things in terms of how he feels. All of his comments were about his feelings about Bush not listening, etc., and were not just declarative statements about Bush.
There have been many instances of political debate here at babble that have not received such close scrutiny and restriction. I think people should be able to post opinions and it appears to me, after reading the posts, that Jay did so with good faith effort to state things as his personal feelings, not as facts.
If you are concerned, given the current war climate, about how heated such discussions could become, possibly taking away from the supportive atmosphere of the board in general, perhaps there should be a separate political discussion board, at least temporarily while this is going on.
People do have strong feelings and are going to want to express themselves. It should be done as civilly as possible. I feel Jay was being civil, even if very strongly opinioned and rather stirred up.
I can also see that one might worry that the board might be overrun by rather vehement political threads, given how controversial this war is. I wouldn't want people to feel restricted from expressing their opinions, however. That is why I believe a separate board might help.
Posted by mair on March 20, 2003, at 17:33:10
In reply to Re: I cast a vote of no confidence for Dr. Bob » stjames, posted by Dinah on March 20, 2003, at 12:59:33
>" Why does everyone assume the worst of everybody?"
>
I totally agree with this sentiment and get very impatient with the tendency here to presuppose the motives (always seemingly bad) of another, be they Bob's or George Bush's or another poster's. However, maybe something went right over my head, but it seem to me that this is precisely what Bob did to Jay - assumed that he was using an I statement to disguise a you statement. I thought Jay was making a sincere effort to say things in a civil way, within the guidelines as he understood them - show's what I know!I feel rather bad about this since I started the thread. My anguish about the war is/was genuine. It affects us all on some level - and yes, I do buy into the global citizen argument - so I do mean all of us, Americans and non-Americans alike. But I only wanted to express my own distress- I didn't want to stir up a firestorm, certainly not one which would spill over to admin.
I do think Bob's got to allow us some legitimate leeway to talk about this war. I'm sure some of us know people over there. I can't claim that kind of connection, but my teenage son is supposed to get on a plane and fly to France in about 3 weeks and this war has made what once seemed to be a wonderful opportunity to be possibly a very bad idea. So this war is providing me with things I can worry about as a citizen and things I worry about as a mother.
Mair
Posted by OddipusRex on March 20, 2003, at 18:24:54
In reply to Parliament is dissolved (nm), posted by OddipusRex on March 20, 2003, at 15:38:08
Posted by OddipusRex on March 20, 2003, at 18:26:15
In reply to I declare myself absolute monarch (nm), posted by OddipusRex on March 20, 2003, at 15:23:19
Posted by OddipusRex on March 20, 2003, at 18:30:05
In reply to Hear Hear! Brilliant! (nm) » OddipusRex, posted by OddipusRex on March 20, 2003, at 18:26:15
Posted by Dinah on March 20, 2003, at 18:30:32
In reply to You're amazingly adorable (nm) » OddipusRex, posted by OddipusRex on March 20, 2003, at 18:30:05
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