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Posted by Danielj on April 26, 2013, at 21:31:23
My son's Pdoc agreed to try a while off medications. Right now he is a litle better off meds than he was on them. 7 years of Zyprexa and Zoloft every day then a few tries of different meds like Latuda and Saphris and back on Zyprexa the past month with no real success. He seems to function normally except for binge buying and eating occasionally which are part of his Schizo affective anyway. This will be kind of a detox period. What do you think?
Posted by Phillipa on April 26, 2013, at 21:58:03
In reply to Schizo affective going off meds., posted by Danielj on April 26, 2013, at 21:31:23
Hi Daniel How old is your Son? If the meds don't work what does the pdoc think? Is he functioning well? What was his reasoning for coming off the meds? Phillipa
Posted by Lou Pilder on April 26, 2013, at 21:58:50
In reply to Schizo affective going off meds., posted by Danielj on April 26, 2013, at 21:31:23
> My son's Pdoc agreed to try a while off medications. Right now he is a litle better off meds than he was on them. 7 years of Zyprexa and Zoloft every day then a few tries of different meds like Latuda and Saphris and back on Zyprexa the past month with no real success. He seems to function normally except for binge buying and eating occasionally which are part of his Schizo affective anyway. This will be kind of a detox period. What do you think?
Danielj,
You wrote,[...My son's pdoc ...off medications..a little better off...a detox period. What do you think?...].
This depends on the reason for the doctor to stop your son's drugs. There is a continuing body of evidence showing that the drugs can increase suicidal and homicidal thinking and the long term consequences can lead to death or disfigurement or the loss of one's humanity. Now if the doctor has arrived at accepting the research and wants to stop now while your son is still alive, that could be one thing. But it is much more than that. You see, when the drugs are stopped, the withdrawal period is a time when one can be compelled to kill themselves and/or others.
I am prevented from posting here how one cold be led out of the darkness o suicidal thinking and into a marvelous light of peace by the nature of the prohibitions to me here by Mr Hsiung. But I say to you, now is the time to seek understand that your son has a chance for a new life now, but this is also the time for him to be robbed of that. The thief can come when one is not home. Be not deceived, take heed these next months that the robber is thwarted. I wish that I could post here how to offset the thief.
Lou
Posted by SLS on April 27, 2013, at 9:14:03
In reply to Schizo affective going off meds., posted by Danielj on April 26, 2013, at 21:31:23
> My son's Pdoc agreed to try a while off medications. Right now he is a litle better off meds than he was on them. 7 years of Zyprexa and Zoloft every day then a few tries of different meds like Latuda and Saphris and back on Zyprexa the past month with no real success. He seems to function normally except for binge buying and eating occasionally which are part of his Schizo affective anyway. This will be kind of a detox period. What do you think?
Zoloft can be numbing (cognitively) and produce apathy and perhaps "brain-fog". People can react differently to the same medication. Some people experience a "clean" antidepressant effect from Zoloft without the numbing and apathy. Sometimes, trial-and-error is a necessary component to choosing medications. Your son might be feeling somewhat better for having discontinued the Zoloft, as any numbing effect may have dissipated.
Discontinuing Zyprexa might produce significant anxiety. Sometimes, this is due to what is known as a rebound effect. If the anxiety is a rebound phenomenon, it should be temporary, but may still warrant intervention - perhaps by using an anxiolytic drug for a brief period of time. If anxiety was a feature of the original illness (baseline), this might be a sign of relapse, in which case it would not be temporary. In any event, your son should be closely monitored to screen for changes in symptoms and mood. Discontinuing both Zyprexa and Zoloft could produce a rebound depression that, although temporary, may be severe enough to produce suicidal thoughts.
Q: Are you more inclined or less inclined to continue posting on Psycho-Babble after reading the replies you received?
- Scott
Posted by teresa167 on May 8, 2013, at 15:01:59
In reply to Lou's response-thegraytbranerobbry » Danielj, posted by Lou Pilder on April 26, 2013, at 21:58:50
Hello there,
I've been reading Lou's responses various times.
But today I've got really upset.
What Lou doesn't seem to understand is the chemical imbalance, and the fact that people respond differently to medications.
Of course there is the risk of suicidal thinking
in some cases.
But in my opinion, the benefits outweights the risk.
In my case, medications saved my life when I was
suicidal.
Medication is the option when nothing else works, including the therapy and spiritual/religiuos
approach.
Of course, this is just my opinion and my experience.Teresa
Posted by SLS on May 8, 2013, at 17:11:05
In reply to Re: Lou's response-, posted by teresa167 on May 8, 2013, at 15:01:59
Posted by SLS on May 8, 2013, at 17:13:30
In reply to Schizo affective going off meds., posted by Danielj on April 26, 2013, at 21:31:23
How is your son doing?
- Scott
Posted by Danielj on May 12, 2013, at 19:36:56
In reply to Re: Schizo affective going off meds. » Danielj, posted by SLS on May 8, 2013, at 17:13:30
> How is your son doing?
>
>
> - Scott
Scary update! My son is exhibiting parkinsonian symptoms (which I hope is due to withdrawal) mumbling to self. Some coordination problems. Then he can go into denial for a few moments with almost normal behavior but the whacky symptoms keep breaking through some times accompanied by incessant pacing if indoors he paces in very tight circles. Doesn't seem angry or contentious. Definitely disturbing though perhaps similar to his first breakdown but worse. No delusions yet.
Posted by Phillipa on May 12, 2013, at 21:03:07
In reply to Re: Schizo affective going off meds., posted by Danielj on May 12, 2013, at 19:36:56
Did you contact the doctor yet? I do feel you should? Phillipa
Posted by Zyprexa on May 15, 2013, at 21:00:48
In reply to Re: Schizo affective going off meds., posted by Danielj on May 12, 2013, at 19:36:56
I don't think that is withdraw. I think he should go back on his meds. The longer you wait the longer it will take to get back to normal.
Interesting, pacing is what I did a lot of before going on zyprexa. I'm Schizo affective also.
Posted by Danielj on May 15, 2013, at 21:11:32
In reply to Re: Schizo affective going off meds. » Danielj, posted by Zyprexa on May 15, 2013, at 21:00:48
That's pretty much what I thought but more than a week later he called and asked me to go food shopping with him. I picked him up and he acted perfectly normal. We went for a little drive, had a chat and then I brought him to the supermarket.
We shopped, bought him a lot of food. He seemed content and I left him that way. Right now I can't really guess what's happening with him. He never exhibited a single symptom that I saw last week.
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