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Posted by phil1909 on May 20, 2010, at 16:53:15
I'm 8 days into Nardil treatment and things look promising.
Started on 45mg with no side effects and gradually upped dose to 60mg. My libido remarkably returned after having been long gone whilst on 200mg of zoloft for 2 or so years, and prior to that, various doses for varying periods on Paxil, Prozac & Effexor.
Some 'strange or alien' feelings of motivation, and energy/alertness have returned which I have not felt for many many years. Also, anxiety/fear-like feelings & thoughts seem curiously very subtle only.
During the period on several SSRIs, libido would come and go, but never remain. Depression was somehow lessened through what seemed like thoughts being supressed (kind of like the effect of some anti-psychotics one psych thought he would try me on), though anxiety was never treated well during this period and hence my reliance on Xanax, Valium, etc.
I'm not getting carried away and I know it's early days but I have not reacted like this to treatment by any other anti-d. Btw, I'm sleeping ok though I'm on a small dose of Seroquil which I take at night which I was already taking to help with sleep whilst on those useless SSRIs. (I should note that the dose of 200mg Zoloft did help me come off Zanax. Even though I WAS in a zombie-like state on that dose I'm certain coming off 2-4mg of zanax a day was a good thing).
Re Nardil. I had my blood pressure checked after 12 days and it's spot on. Strange cause I thought the slight light-headedness may have been a bl press thing. I'll monitor longer term side effects like weight changes, etc and I'll report on this forum.
ONE COMMENT i MUST MAKE ON SSRIs
I was on on and off SSRIs for 20 years and they may dull thoughts to trick us into thinking we are not depressed. But they do not treat phobias and panic attacks and Chronic Anxiety Disorder.
Fearful thoughts with panic-like feelings ARE NOT IMPROVED OR LESSENED BY ANY FRIGGIN SSRI.
ALSO, WITH TERRIBLE WITHDRAWAL SYMPTOMS SUCH AS 'BRAIN SHOCKS or BRAIN FUZZ', DIZZY SPELLS, DRY MOUTH, CRYING FITS, AND SHAKING, (TO NAME A FEW), ONE CAN ONLY START BEING SAD, SCARED AND THEREFORE IN SOMEWAY DEPRESSED AGAIN, AND SO, DECEIPTFULLY, ONE Is PERSUADED TO CONTINUE TREATMENT WITH SSRIs. ONE, THAT IS, ME or I, AMAZINGLY FORGOT THAT ANXIETY WAS THE MAIN ISSUE THAT NEEDED TREATMENT, AND I BECOME SOMEHOW CONVINCED THAT DEPRESSION WAS THE MAJOR UNDERLYING CAUSE AND ANXIETY THE SYMPTOM.
NOT SO AT ALL.Take care;
Phil
Posted by manic666 on May 21, 2010, at 8:24:13
In reply to Nardil, SSRIs, Libido + stuff, posted by phil1909 on May 20, 2010, at 16:53:15
i carnt agree to this statment//first you stopped 4mg a day xanax a day thats the same as 80mg of valium ?????????????how many were you on a few more an you would convulsing///an you blame the ssri.s//sure there not cool for every one, but libido on 100mg sertraline is ok for me //citalopram no i admit///withdrawl you say is bad on ssri,s //have you tried snri,s i think you will find them worse/try commeing off 300mg of effexor an you will see// people love ssri,s for the simple tapper no side or withdrawl effects//put me in the picture on this xanax you took //i was on 10mg of ativan an in a bad way//you were on 4mg an more a day//4mg of xanax is 8mg of ativan //i should think a lot of your probs came down to xanax withdrawl not ssri,s
Posted by Bob on May 21, 2010, at 22:40:08
In reply to Re: Nardil, SSRIs, Libido + stuff, posted by manic666 on May 21, 2010, at 8:24:13
> i carnt agree to this statment//first you stopped 4mg a day xanax a day thats the same as 80mg of valium ?????????????how many were you on a few more an you would convulsing///an you blame the ssri.s//sure there not cool for every one, but libido on 100mg sertraline is ok for me //citalopram no i admit///withdrawl you say is bad on ssri,s //have you tried snri,s i think you will find them worse/try commeing off 300mg of effexor an you will see// people love ssri,s for the simple tapper no side or withdrawl effects//put me in the picture on this xanax you took //i was on 10mg of ativan an in a bad way//you were on 4mg an more a day//4mg of xanax is 8mg of ativan //i should think a lot of your probs came down to xanax withdrawl not ssri,s
Are you saying that your libido on 100mg of sertraline was largely intact... even after a prolonged exposure? And that this was not the case for citalopram, which affected it negatively?
Posted by manic666 on May 22, 2010, at 13:02:55
In reply to Re: Nardil, SSRIs, Libido + stuff » manic666, posted by Bob on May 21, 2010, at 22:40:08
yes ,thats why im back on sertraline//it seems a cool med to me sexually//i no a lot of people say the opposite//but citalopram 40mg was bad news sex wise //even when i tried an dropped to 20mg ,i had no interest in sex at all//i could get an erection an have sex but felt nothing an could not fire the white mice without a little help from my right hand///sertraline i feel like sex an enjoy it an no help needed on ejaculation//i no to much info but tell it like it is i think
Posted by bulldog2 on May 22, 2010, at 14:28:21
In reply to Re: Nardil, SSRIs, Libido + stuff, posted by manic666 on May 21, 2010, at 8:24:13
> i carnt agree to this statment//first you stopped 4mg a day xanax a day thats the same as 80mg of valium ?????????????how many were you on a few more an you would convulsing///an you blame the ssri.s//sure there not cool for every one, but libido on 100mg sertraline is ok for me //citalopram no i admit///withdrawl you say is bad on ssri,s //have you tried snri,s i think you will find them worse/try commeing off 300mg of effexor an you will see// people love ssri,s for the simple tapper no side or withdrawl effects//put me in the picture on this xanax you took //i was on 10mg of ativan an in a bad way//you were on 4mg an more a day//4mg of xanax is 8mg of ativan //i should think a lot of your probs came down to xanax withdrawl not ssri,s
This is my experience only. I found withdrawal fom klonopin relatively easy when done on a very gradual pace.
Posted by manic666 on May 22, 2010, at 14:38:37
In reply to Nardil, SSRIs, Libido + stuff, posted by phil1909 on May 20, 2010, at 16:53:15
i misread your post // i thought you had stopped 4mg of xanax cold//but reading back you tappered i apologise
Posted by phil1909 on May 22, 2010, at 19:06:01
In reply to Re: Nardil, SSRIs, Libido + stuff, posted by manic666 on May 22, 2010, at 14:38:37
No need to apologise at all.
It never ceases to amaze me how we all have totally unique experiences with meds. Some things work that don't work for others.
Cool, take it easy.
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