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Posted by Deneb on January 4, 2006, at 8:23:02
OK, so a lot of people have been saying I need to see my pdoc or something, well, I'm too afraid to!
I'm on campus now and thought of going to make a quick appointment, but I'm too afraid! I just can't go there!
Oh well, I think I'm pretty much OK for now.
Deneb
Posted by LegWarmers on January 4, 2006, at 9:06:28
In reply to Too afraid to get help, posted by Deneb on January 4, 2006, at 8:23:02
> OK, so a lot of people have been saying I need to see my pdoc or something, well, I'm too afraid to!
>
> I'm on campus now and thought of going to make a quick appointment, but I'm too afraid! I just can't go there!
>
> Oh well, I think I'm pretty much OK for now.
>What are you afraid of? Getting better? Just go Deneb, that is what they are there for. I know you can do it!
Posted by Deneb on January 4, 2006, at 10:35:13
In reply to Re: Too afraid to get help, posted by LegWarmers on January 4, 2006, at 9:06:28
Eeeek, I just can't do it. I just can't.
He told me it was our last session, I can't see him again. There's no emergency. I just can't. Also, what if pdoc1 is there too? What if she sees me?
That's it, can't go through with this. I don't have big enough problems yet. I'm going to survive, so it's OK. I should stop worrying about stuff like this and concentrate on school. I gotta stop worrying that I have problems and just deal with them.
Deneb
Posted by Larry Hoover on January 4, 2006, at 10:44:13
In reply to Re: Too afraid to get help, posted by Deneb on January 4, 2006, at 10:35:13
> Eeeek, I just can't do it. I just can't.
>
> He told me it was our last sessionBased on you manipulating him, right?
That's the problem, isn't it?
It'll get much easier, real quickly, if you get this over with. Go, and see the doctor. Go!
> There's no emergency.
No, emergencies you go to the hospital.
This is a "first opportunity I have, I'll make an appointment."
You said that. Execute the plan.
Posted by Deneb on January 4, 2006, at 11:19:36
In reply to Re: Too afraid to get help » Deneb, posted by Larry Hoover on January 4, 2006, at 10:44:13
OK, I'm going to try again right now before my next class.
I'm going to bundle up with my hat and scarf so people will not recognize me.
Let's see if I can do it. If I can't do this, I might need an excuse, like a mini OD.
Deneb
Posted by Larry Hoover on January 4, 2006, at 11:25:10
In reply to Re: Too afraid to get help, posted by Deneb on January 4, 2006, at 11:19:36
> Let's see if I can do it. If I can't do this, I might need an excuse, like a mini OD.
>
> DenebBad plan. They put you on a psych hold for that OD stuff. You had your one freebie. They won't give you another. No ODs.
Lar
Posted by LegWarmers on January 4, 2006, at 11:31:54
In reply to Re: Too afraid to get help, posted by Deneb on January 4, 2006, at 11:19:36
> OK, I'm going to try again right now before my next class.
>
> I'm going to bundle up with my hat and scarf so people will not recognize me.
>
> Let's see if I can do it. If I can't do this, I might need an excuse, like a mini OD.
>
> DenebI don't see the logic? People go to a pdoc to prevent things like that from happening. An OD might make you look like yyou are manipulating and not be taken seriously. Just tell him you need his help, and why don't you go back to pdoc 1?
Posted by Deneb on January 4, 2006, at 11:39:48
In reply to Re: Too afraid to get help » Deneb, posted by LegWarmers on January 4, 2006, at 11:31:54
> > OK, I'm going to try again right now before my next class.
> >
> > I'm going to bundle up with my hat and scarf so people will not recognize me.I did it! I did it! I made an appointment for Tues. Geez, I'm hot. lol
> >
> > Let's see if I can do it. If I can't do this, I might need an excuse, like a mini OD.
> >
> > Deneb
>
> I don't see the logic? People go to a pdoc to prevent things like that from happening. An OD might make you look like yyou are manipulating and not be taken seriously. Just tell him you need his help, and why don't you go back to pdoc 1?I hadn't thought of it that way...that it might be seen as manipulation. I guess in order for it not to be seen as manipulation I would need to take a more serious OD. But that runs the risk of being put in the hospital.
If I'm ever going to OD again, I'd better do it AFTER my semester is over, perhaps in April or the beginning of May. Must remember to not breakdown before my semester is over.
Phew, that was tough, making that appointment. Now I just gotta calm down for my class at 1:00.
Deneb
Posted by sleepygirl on January 4, 2006, at 11:58:00
In reply to Re: Too afraid to get help » LegWarmers, posted by Deneb on January 4, 2006, at 11:39:48
> I hadn't thought of it that way...that it might be seen as manipulation. I guess in order for it not to be seen as manipulation I would need to take a more serious OD. But that runs the risk of being put in the hospital.What the???
Posted by LegWarmers on January 4, 2006, at 12:00:12
In reply to Re: Too afraid to get help » LegWarmers, posted by Deneb on January 4, 2006, at 11:39:48
> > > OK, I'm going to try again right now before my next class.
> > >
> > > I'm going to bundle up with my hat and scarf so people will not recognize me.
>
> I did it! I did it! I made an appointment for Tues. Geez, I'm hot. lol
>Very happy for you!
> > >
> > > Let's see if I can do it. If I can't do this, I might need an excuse, like a mini OD.
> > >
> > > Deneb
> >
> > I don't see the logic? People go to a pdoc to prevent things like that from happening. An OD might make you look like yyou are manipulating and not be taken seriously. Just tell him you need his help, and why don't you go back to pdoc 1?
>
> I hadn't thought of it that way...that it might be seen as manipulation. I guess in order for it not to be seen as manipulation I would need to take a more serious OD. But that runs the risk of being put in the hospital.why Deneb? That still makes no sense to me? taking a more serious one would run the risk of hurting yourself internally and possibly irreversible consequences. We think we are indestructible but we really are kind vulnerable. If I were you Id try to build the courage to tell the pdoc that this is your logic.
>
> If I'm ever going to OD again, I'd better do it AFTER my semester is over, perhaps in April or the beginning of May. Must remember to not breakdown before my semester is over.
So you ruin your summer? Not a good plan. You have no idea how you will react, even with meticulous planning and calculations! Some weird chemical reaction could be occuring from stress or hormones at the time you take the overdose and voila! you've done it because the dose you so carefully planned was enhanced by your hormones.>
> Phew, that was tough, making that appointment. Now I just gotta calm down for my class at 1:00.
>
> Deneb
>
>Good work, Good luck in class
Posted by JenStar on January 4, 2006, at 13:15:47
In reply to Re: Too afraid to get help, posted by Deneb on January 4, 2006, at 11:19:36
hi Deneb,
you don't need any excuse other than, "I don't feel right and I want help right now." You don't need to have any other reason!If you come in for help, I'm sure that your doc(s) will be grateful and happy that you're here to get help. They will feel like they are able to help you, which is what they do best.
Don't worry about what people think. F*** anyone who give you grief for getting help! In ten years, or even a month, anybody who saw you going to the clinic will have long forgotten. But if you get help, you'll be MUCH better for it down the road, and you'll never forget the time you made time to help yourself improve your life.
good luck! :)
JenStar
Posted by Larry Hoover on January 4, 2006, at 13:59:48
In reply to Re: Too afraid to get help » LegWarmers, posted by Deneb on January 4, 2006, at 11:39:48
> > > OK, I'm going to try again right now before my next class.
> > >
> > > I'm going to bundle up with my hat and scarf so people will not recognize me.
>
> I did it! I did it! I made an appointment for Tues. Geez, I'm hot. lolGood. I go lie down now.
Posted by Deneb on January 4, 2006, at 15:10:33
In reply to GOOD JOB!!! » Deneb, posted by LegWarmers on January 4, 2006, at 12:00:12
>..., and why don't you go back to pdoc 1?
I think pdoc1 is still on maternity leave.
> > I hadn't thought of it that way...that it might be seen as manipulation. I guess in order for it not to be seen as manipulation I would need to take a more serious OD. But that runs the risk of being put in the hospital.
>
> why Deneb? That still makes no sense to me? taking a more serious one would run the risk of hurting yourself internally and possibly irreversible consequences. We think we are indestructible but we really are kind vulnerable. If I were you Id try to build the courage to tell the pdoc that this is your logic.You're right, I was thinking about this after class and it makes no sense. I don't know why I keep thinking I have to OD sooner or later. It's like I'm saying "Jenny, you gotta OD." I don't know why exactly I need to do it.
> > If I'm ever going to OD again, I'd better do it AFTER my semester is over, perhaps in April or the beginning of May. Must remember to not breakdown before my semester is over.
>
>
> So you ruin your summer? Not a good plan. You have no idea how you will react, even with meticulous planning and calculations! Some weird chemical reaction could be occuring from stress or hormones at the time you take the overdose and voila! you've done it because the dose you so carefully planned was enhanced by your hormones.I think the possibility of me miscalculating is low, but I think I see what you mean.
> Good work, Good luck in class
Thanks
Deneb
Posted by Deneb on January 4, 2006, at 15:15:52
In reply to Re: Too afraid to get help » Deneb, posted by Larry Hoover on January 4, 2006, at 10:44:13
> It'll get much easier, real quickly, if you get this over with.
> Execute the plan.I don't think I would have made the appointment without reading the above.
I'm already having second thoughts about this. I don't know if I made the right decision. Things haven't been *that* bad for me.
I just hate letting my p-docs down by not doing well.
Deneb
Posted by LegWarmers on January 4, 2006, at 16:27:11
In reply to Re: Too afraid to get help » Larry Hoover, posted by Deneb on January 4, 2006, at 15:15:52
seeing a pdoc is maintenaince! Its almost like taking a medication. Going only when there is a crisis is not the way it works.
Posted by Larry Hoover on January 4, 2006, at 16:44:53
In reply to Re: Too afraid to get help » Larry Hoover, posted by Deneb on January 4, 2006, at 15:15:52
> I just hate letting my p-docs down by not doing well.
>
> DenebPardon me?
Are you concerned that you are too messed up to manipulate them again, or did I miss something?
You manipulate them (in other words, you lie to them). You don't take the medication prescribed to you. You instead overdose on non-prescribed medication as a game. You post you are too afraid to get help. And when you finally do, you worry about letting them down by not doing well, immediately following a statement that it hasn't been so bad? Moments after you spoke of having to OD again?
I give up. Trying to help you has made me sick. Good luck with this.
Posted by Deneb on January 4, 2006, at 17:04:31
In reply to Re: Too afraid to get help » Deneb, posted by Larry Hoover on January 4, 2006, at 16:44:53
I got upset and did something impulsive.
I took more than the recommended dose again.
Should I take some antacids to neutralize the acid?
Posted by Deneb on January 4, 2006, at 17:19:44
In reply to I got upset *trigger*, posted by Deneb on January 4, 2006, at 17:04:31
What I just did was highly manipulative. I'm sorry. Please ignore me. I think giving me attention for hurting myself will only reinforce my behaviour.
I'll be OK. I know what I was doing.
Deneb
Posted by Deneb on January 4, 2006, at 17:54:19
In reply to I got upset *trigger*, posted by Deneb on January 4, 2006, at 17:04:31
Can you ignore everything except for the antacid question?
I'm kind of worried about a burning sensation in my stomach.
Thanks
Deneb
Posted by Deneb on January 4, 2006, at 17:57:24
In reply to Re: I got upset *trigger*, posted by Deneb on January 4, 2006, at 17:54:19
HCl in the stomach is much more acidic anyways.
I was just thinking maybe the antacid would lessen the absorption of the ASA.
Oh well, whatever. I didn't take that much.
Posted by Dinah on January 4, 2006, at 18:16:37
In reply to I got upset *trigger*, posted by Deneb on January 4, 2006, at 17:04:31
That seems like a question for a doctor.
Perhaps you should call one, or go to an after hours clinic.
Posted by JenStar on January 4, 2006, at 19:35:58
In reply to I got upset *trigger*, posted by Deneb on January 4, 2006, at 17:04:31
Deneb,
you need to see a doctor, emergency room, ASAP. If you took more aspirin or any drug than recommended, antacids are NOT going to be enough to get the med out of your system.Don't further jeopardize your health. Go get help immediately.
JenStar
Posted by Deneb on January 4, 2006, at 19:44:19
In reply to go to emergency room asap » Deneb, posted by JenStar on January 4, 2006, at 19:35:58
> Deneb,
> you need to see a doctor, emergency room, ASAP. If you took more aspirin or any drug than recommended, antacids are NOT going to be enough to get the med out of your system.
>
> Don't further jeopardize your health. Go get help immediately.
>
> JenStarIt's OK JenStar.
I've taken more than the amount I took today once before seeing pdoc1. I told her about it and she didn't send me to the hospital. I got some ringing in the ears and stuff, but I was OK after a day.
deneb
Posted by Phillipa on January 4, 2006, at 19:53:07
In reply to Re: go to emergency room asap, posted by Deneb on January 4, 2006, at 19:44:19
Besides ringing in the ears you are prone to bleeding and that could be internal bleeding. Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by alexandra_k on January 4, 2006, at 19:53:50
In reply to Re: Too afraid to get help » Deneb, posted by Larry Hoover on January 4, 2006, at 16:44:53
((((((Larry)))))))
I'm sorry :-(
Sometimes...
All we can do is remove ourselves...
And not respond.
Because... Yes... Things can get to us and be too draining.I know you have done a lot to try and help
A lot of people here have...I don't think that words like 'manipulative' etc are helpful...
But I do understand the frustration.
Sometimes...
The best thing is simply to not respond.
Because...
Responding only seems to feed the problem.
Sometimes people do need to hit a low...
Before they are prepared to do something to help themself.
And the road to being able to communicate honestly with people (including ones clinicians)
Well... Sometimes one has to learn *how*.I understand that...
But there is no magical way to give someone that knowledge...
And the road can be long and hard.
But the decision to walk along that road...
Nobody can make that decision for another person.
And sometimes trying to coax them into it...
Well...
Therapists see people for an hour or two every week rather than every day for a reason I suppose...
And yeah.
We have our own stuff...
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