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Posted by verne on April 13, 2009, at 23:41:25
In reply to Re: Let's eat everyone » verne, posted by myco on April 13, 2009, at 23:14:19
"lol yes i remember matthew shepard"
Wow, enough said - it's a "lol" thing?
Verne
Posted by myco on April 14, 2009, at 0:10:04
In reply to In memory of Matthew Shepard » myco, posted by verne on April 13, 2009, at 23:41:25
*ssh*l*! im gay. what the f*ck is your problem lol
> "lol yes i remember matthew shepard"
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> Wow, enough said - it's a "lol" thing?
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> Verne
Posted by verne on April 14, 2009, at 0:19:10
In reply to Re: In memory of Matthew Shepard » verne, posted by myco on April 14, 2009, at 0:10:04
Why the hostility? And I still don't see how it's a "lol", or laughing, matter.
I've never given a rip about anyone's gender, species, sexual orientation, or even spieces.
lol,
verne
Posted by desolationrower on April 14, 2009, at 2:24:11
In reply to behind the times.?, posted by garnet71 on April 6, 2009, at 18:08:17
> Okay-one more thing Dr. Bob - if you believe in utilizing the internet to solve problems - you would know current societal trends that are escalating and increasingly eminant, brought upon by technological communications, and you could either harness the trends or fall behind:
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> Heirarchy of organizations:
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> - moving from top down to bottom up
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> Online collaboration - the future in problem solving:
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> - moving from CONsumers to PROsumers (that would be us members)
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> If you recognize that - i'd say you're pretty up on your research in using technology in the realm of problem solving/support groups. You don't want to be outdated, do you? If you don't recognize those changes that are being facilitated via communication technologies at this very moment, then I might just have to compare you with a recent Dean of a local university who I met not too long ago who did not even know what the term "social entrepreneurship" meant and had to be taught about it by some sophomore undegrad student (me). Nothing personal!
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> Hope that's a convincing argument Z:)
>in grade school i too read alvin toffler, on newt gingriches recommendation.
-d/r
Posted by Sigismund on April 14, 2009, at 3:02:39
In reply to Re: behind the times.?, posted by desolationrower on April 14, 2009, at 2:24:11
>i too read alvin toffler, on newt gingriches recommendation.
Geez, I'd heard of him, but now I certainly won't be reading.
Posted by Dr. Bob on April 14, 2009, at 3:04:44
In reply to Re: *Trigger* Jade's Final Post, posted by JadeKelly on April 13, 2009, at 21:38:33
> Would someone block me forever, please.
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> VerneAre you sure you want to continue that?
I'm sorry if my comment hurt you. I was being goofy and didn't mean to be cruel. I still would appreciate an apology. Or, muffled mentioned a change in wording, would you be willing to rephrase your earlier post instead?
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20090302/msgs/889077.html
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> a lot of us are damaged, hurting, broken people when we get here. We feel extremely vulnerable and sensitive. We are looking for support, love and friendship, acceptance, at a time when we are at our worst. ... maybe they should ask us if we'd like to chat. If I was a deputy thats what I would do.
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> Before I was "enlightened" I sent mail to all three deputies in a misguided effort to be understood about why I was here.
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> Not one ever mentioned it to me privately or publicly. They don't talk to me. ... I don't know what I was looking for. Acceptance by the "family"?I'm sorry the role of the deputies wasn't more clear. Their main function in that role is to try to maintain an atmosphere of civility. Posters are the primary source of support and education. They're the "family" to look to for acceptance.
I'm also sorry I wasn't more responsive myself to your emails. My role is administrative, too. And I don't have as much time for it as I'd like.
> I enjoy most people very much, even with all the "stuff" that comes with them.
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> My irony is that after giving out my email, and having my Babblemail still open, I have made so many supportive new friends since this started. All people who just wanted to say I hear you. Maybe we can hear each other. People who, like me, don't feel safe sharing here. I will stay in touch with these caring people.
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> your alone and this is your lifeline. Your not yourself and become slightly addicted to being "connected".And you did find acceptance! Are you sure you don't want to stay in touch with them here?
> Sometimes, I too, am sensitive and say things I shouldn't to people that I care about. I am quick to react if I feel slighted. I am also quick to apoligize, and talk it over.
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> I told [the deputies] that while I may come off as sarcastic at times, its just pain, hurt, and misplaced anger. I said that I was sorry about that.
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> Thanks for the forum Dr.Bob. You at least owe me that. There will never be an apology unless it comes from you. I won't hold my breath.
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> ~JadeKellyI'm sorry I haven't been more supportive, loving, friendly, and accepting. Would you be willing to apologize to me, too? Or to rephrase your other post?
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20090302/msgs/888888.html
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OK, the ball's in their court. If anyone else wants to add another two cents, this might be a good time.
Bob
Posted by Deneb on April 14, 2009, at 8:38:32
In reply to Re: an opportunity, posted by Dr. Bob on April 14, 2009, at 3:04:44
OK, so far, I've just been mostly reading posts by skimming them, but I am curious now, what happened here?
What happened with JadeKelly and Verne? Can someone enlighten me?
I'd like to help out if I can.
Posted by muffled on April 14, 2009, at 9:47:22
In reply to Just curious, what happened here?, posted by Deneb on April 14, 2009, at 8:38:32
Near as I can figger Bob is going bonkers trying to get Verne and Jadekelly to apoplogize for some reason.
I think they felt they have?
And other than that, just noise I think.
'Cept Jade announced she's leaving,and why, so I don't s'pect Bob will be getting any more from her.
I think Bob is mebbe trying something new, but as usu hasn't told anyone...though its pretty obvo.
If it were me, I'd just frikken apoplogize to put Bob out of his obsessive misery, cuz who cares about whether you feel true about it really?
Apologize, do my piece for peace, whether I beleive in what I am saying or not.
Do no harm.
Mebbe do good, for the greater good?
My sib used to make me beg for stuff. I used to stubbornly refuse. Then I learned I could just put on a 'show', beg in the real world, but in my HEAD, I was NOT. Then LOL, I got what I wanted, with very little pain. I learned not to care. I learned that life is not fair. And just to roll with the punches, cuz punches allus come.
Fight important battles, but let the rest go.
That way I survive.
Right , wrong?
I don't care.
I just look for peace at the lowest cost. Apologizing seems a cheap deal. Words, who f'ing cares?
I don't give a rats *ss bout Bob, but I do care bout babblers and if my apologizing might cause Bob to do less blocking, then I would do it. For babblers. Not for me, not for Bob. LOL, but for 'The Herd'.
I dunno.
I not so smart.
You seem pretty strong Deneb. Thats good. You need to be to be here.
take care of yourself.
M
Posted by garnet71 on April 14, 2009, at 10:32:40
In reply to Re: *Trigger* Jade's Final Post, posted by JadeKelly on April 13, 2009, at 21:38:33
((((((Jade)))))))
That was a very heartfelt post-and you are very courageous for telling your story. I didn't know you have gone thru so much in such a short time, but I always knew you were a very strong person. I also think its great you have such a wonderful family (and don't take it for granted). I was also sorry to hear your pain from actions taken on this forum, and wish you the best of luck with your new websites.
- Garnet
Posted by garnet71 on April 14, 2009, at 10:43:17
In reply to Re: behind the times.?, posted by desolationrower on April 14, 2009, at 2:24:11
Hi d/r - and i see how YOUR Dr. Bob argument was sooo much more persuasive than mine. You know, there's been a lot out since toeffler--Wikinomics, for example. So, maybe YOU are behind the times too! Newt Gingrich? Why do people bring Newt Gingrich into unrelated topics? And not everyone meets Newt Ginrich in gradeshool. Hmm. Not only are you an antibrotelligentist, but now I see you are also a Newt-Gingrich-conversation-injector.
You just wait...I was at a specialty store the other day and saw they had UNCUT spaghetti - it was 2 1/2 FEET LONG!! I'd be more careful if I were you. ha.
Posted by Deneb on April 14, 2009, at 11:41:00
In reply to Shaming the Poster » JadeKelly, posted by verne on April 6, 2009, at 20:19:08
Hey Verne,
Sorry you feel that way about Dr. Bob. I think maybe you hurt Dr. Bob's feelings. I think Dr. Bob tries the best he can, he's not perfect. (Scary thought though LOL)
How would you feel if Dr. Bob wrote the same things about you?
I think it was very considerate of Dr. Bob to apologize.
I think it would be great if you could forgive Dr. Bob and try to rephrase your post to Dr. Bob.
Being blocked sucks. Are you sure you want to be blocked Verne? We like you here. :-)
It seems like Dr. Bob likes you here as well or else he wouldn't go to so much trouble to get us to help you not be blocked.
Posted by verne on April 14, 2009, at 12:43:44
In reply to Re: Shaming the Poster » verne, posted by Deneb on April 14, 2009, at 11:41:00
I don't remember posting last night. I hope I wasn't too mean. Two day bender's do that to me.
I'm sorry for all the trouble I caused. Any time I post on the administration board, I'm up to no good.
Please ignore my drunken posts. I'm usually trying to insert drama where there isn't any.
This is my last post until I've been sober a year. I recently had 6 months of sobriety (2 years is my modern record) Frankly, I'm too ashamed of myself to post anyway.
the worm
Posted by fayeroe on April 14, 2009, at 12:47:43
In reply to Shame and Self Loathing, posted by verne on April 14, 2009, at 12:43:44
> I don't remember posting last night. I hope I wasn't too mean. Two day bender's do that to me.
Verne............
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> I'm sorry for all the trouble I caused. Any time I post on the administration board, I'm up to no good.
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> Please ignore my drunken posts. I'm usually trying to insert drama where there isn't any.
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> This is my last post until I've been sober a year. I recently had 6 months of sobriety (2 years is my modern record) Frankly, I'm too ashamed of myself to post anyway.I wish you luck and send you love for your work in the next 12 months. (12 months sounds shorter than one year, doesn't it?) I'll look forward to your "sober and sane" return. :-) Pat
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Posted by Dr. Bob on April 14, 2009, at 15:14:29
In reply to Shame and Self Loathing, posted by verne on April 14, 2009, at 12:43:44
> I'm sorry for all the trouble I caused.
Thanks, I really do appreciate that.
Now that you mention it, I guess another possible reason for not apologizing (and getting blocked) could be self-loathing.
> This is my last post until I've been sober a year. I recently had 6 months of sobriety (2 years is my modern record) Frankly, I'm too ashamed of myself to post anyway.
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> the wormAbstain from drinking, not from posting! Maybe post about trying to stay sober? That would be getting back to the real goal of this community.
Worms don't admit their wrongs and made amends, thanks again,
Bob
Posted by Deneb on April 14, 2009, at 23:39:58
In reply to Shame and Self Loathing, posted by verne on April 14, 2009, at 12:43:44
Hey Verne,
Don't be so hard on yourself, I hope you're ok. Hugs if you want them.
You are awesome.
Deneb
Posted by Cass on April 14, 2009, at 23:44:39
In reply to Shame and Self Loathing, posted by verne on April 14, 2009, at 12:43:44
verne, I hope you keep posting, too. We've all got our struggles. I admire that you've stayed sober 6 months. You're doing well.
Posted by Bobby on April 14, 2009, at 23:53:30
In reply to Shame and Self Loathing, posted by verne on April 14, 2009, at 12:43:44
I enjoy your posts Verne-----you're not afraid to speak your mind and mixed in with the mean words are things I sometimes think to myself. The only problem is that --say a man hits his wife----but always apologizes later--genuinely---that still doesn't take away her black eye. And things like that have a tendency to escalate. I've seen it happen enough to know the pattern. I believe Bob's on to something. I don't think folks want to see you stop posting--just seize the chance to redeem yourself and I'm cheering for you. Good luck in your quest for sobriety--or at the very least moderation----though I think that may be unrealistic for some. Keep posting---everybody loves an underdog.
Posted by 10derHeart on April 15, 2009, at 18:42:43
In reply to Re: *Trigger* Jade's Final Post, posted by JadeKelly on April 13, 2009, at 21:38:33
>I sent some form of this to Administration addressing all members. Not one ever mentioned it to me privately or publicly.
Jade,
I can't speak for Racer or Dinah, but I'll speak for me. I would never mention anything a poster chose to tell me privately, in public. As for privately, I'm sorry if my not responding to your Babblemail gave a negative impression. It wasn't my intention. Perhaps I should have, to say I was sorry you had to go through such pain in life. I think sometimes I think people just know I'm sorry, but that doesn't mean I shouldn't go ahead and actually say it. That maybe was a poor choice. I know I really want people to respond to me when I reveal personal things. I will say, in explanation, that there are several reasons I often won't respond to posters' emails. Some of these are: I forget, I can't find the time and then I end up being embarrassed so *much* time has passed, I don't understand the message, or, I flat out don't know what to say. Also, being a deputy, my actions and words seem to carry a different sort of weight, so sometimes - wrong or right - I choose not to respond at all, feeling it will actually be more helpful that way.
>They don't talk to me.
Again, just replying for me, I don't really talk to anyone off the boards. It certainly hasn't got a thing to do with *you.* Except to answer a Notification, or other question put to me in my deputy role. Or perhaps to briefly respond if someone Babblemails me in my non-deputy role, which is fairly rare. It's partly a case of time-management of IRL stuff (I spend way, way too much time online avoiding the anxiety of RL responsibilities) and also something I've found necessary to function as a deputy and even as a regular poster, in some cases. Keeping everything as transparent as possible seems best.>10der has made it quite clear that she doesn't like me(I'll be generous).
I am bewildered. It isn't true that I don't like you. I don't know you.
Posted by raisinb on April 16, 2009, at 14:12:54
In reply to Re: why we are here » Dr. Bob, posted by myco on April 12, 2009, at 15:20:51
If one disagrees with a law, one doesn't necessarily go out of one's way to help one's friends follow the law.
If I'd lived during J*m Cr*w and opposed it, I wouldn't have expended energy on herding my African American friends to the back of the bus.
I happen to trust the deputies and support their decisions. But I felt that your post contained some odd logic.
Posted by raisinb on April 16, 2009, at 14:13:42
In reply to Re: why we are here » myco, posted by raisinb on April 16, 2009, at 14:12:54
Posted by garnet71 on April 16, 2009, at 19:14:18
In reply to sorry myco above for Dr. Bob (nm) » raisinb, posted by raisinb on April 16, 2009, at 14:13:42
Has anyone thought about the first thing you see when you visit the homepage of this site?
"Now, how are we to recognize Nature's most excellent web sites? ... whatever does not kill them makes them stronger. --Friedrich Nietzsche, Ecce Homo (adapted), 1889"
...just wondering. lol
Posted by Phillipa on April 16, 2009, at 20:02:47
In reply to this website, posted by garnet71 on April 16, 2009, at 19:14:18
Well doesn't the meds board have some outdated info. New meds to add? Phillipa
Posted by Dr. Bob on April 16, 2009, at 21:01:25
In reply to Re: why we are here » myco, posted by raisinb on April 16, 2009, at 14:12:54
> If one disagrees with a law, one doesn't necessarily go out of one's way to help one's friends follow the law.
Maybe not, but would one want one's friends to go to jail?
Bob
Posted by fayeroe on April 16, 2009, at 21:24:27
In reply to Re: why we are here, posted by Dr. Bob on April 16, 2009, at 21:01:25
> > If one disagrees with a law, one doesn't necessarily go out of one's way to help one's friends follow the law.
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> Maybe not, but would one want one's friends to go to jail?
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> BobBob, have you ever heard of beating a dead horse?
Posted by Sigismund on April 17, 2009, at 0:23:26
In reply to Re: why we are here, posted by Dr. Bob on April 16, 2009, at 21:01:25
>Maybe not, but would one want one's friends to go to jail?
Some countries try alternatives.
Shoot them on the beaches. Probation.
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