Posted by alexandra_k on January 18, 2006, at 19:55:12
In reply to Re: okay so this isn't working out :-( » Dinah, posted by alexandra_k on January 18, 2006, at 19:32:01
yet there is some truth in it...
it seems to capture something...
i wondered if the explanandum was different. that maybe psychoanalysis attempts to explain processes that recurr in peoples lives. whereas cognitive behaviour theorists attempt to explain present behaviour (and don't really care about what has happened in the past except how it may manifest in the present and don't really care about recurrent patterns...)
but i'm not sure that thats it...
there seems to be something...
(which is why it hasn't vanished like alchemy)
the defence mechanisms...
projection
etc...i think there is something to those...
but they still need a folk-psychological / cognitive neuro-psychological / evolutionary explanation
instead of a two drives / conscious, unconcsious, preconscious / id, ego, superego explanation
IMHO
can you translate the insights into the language of modern science????
i thought that might be an interesting project...
but i really do despair at times...
it would really help things along if an analytic philosopher had done a general overview of the theory...
(no offense intended but it is a little hard to cope with tracts on how the main resistence to psychoanalysis is that behaviour is determined and people don't always have direct first person access to their real motivations and intentions)
and the greatest trouble would be...
doing away with the unconscious (as an intelligent agent who censors etc)
but if you do away with that...
apparantly its not psychoanalytic anymore.
in which case...
it would be like trying to turn tea leaf reading into a science...
(ie a pointless waste of time)
and regarding it as an 'interpretive strategy' is... well... a matter of personal decision. and what does it buy you? a pretty morbid view of people and their place in the world, i have to say.and really... since darwin... we are starting to develop a view of people and their place in the world in terms of their biological (and social) drives and their cognitive structures (which have evolved in order to help people achieve more of their goals)
i mean... a mind all divided in on itself... why would that evolve for? whats the point? we are a biological system? when all goes well... there is supposed to be harmony. not intrinsic internal conflict...
f*ck knows.
not having a good day :-(
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