Posted by alexandra_k on October 23, 2018, at 2:53:34
In reply to Re: post coffee, posted by sigismund on October 21, 2018, at 18:11:56
> Did you know that the morning dew in 'Morning Dew' actually referred to nuclear fallout? The radioactive stuff. Walking out in the morning dew wondering where everyone had gone.
No, I didn't know that. But that adds a layer of meaning to Nuka-Cola being a theme for Fallout computer game series.
> I was thinking that if you destroy a people, steal their country, denigrate them and blame them for it, and do your best to ignore and forget it, then perhaps, even though you may wish otherwise, these crimes confidently assigned to oblivion may return in how you respond to the distress of others, including your own children.Yeah, maybe that is so.
On the other hand, there was some stuff written (from memory) about how it was that the Nazi Doctors and the like could do such awful things to the Jewish people (and others) and then go home and play with their kids...
And the idea was that they were able to dissociate what they did for their day job and be upstanding loving husbands and fathers. 'Being adaptable' I expect it's considered to be.
I suspect that there will be leakage. Or maybe others are much better dissociators than me. But I suspect there will be leakage. One idea is that you live with yourself by not viewing them as people. They are 'the other'. And so on.
Only... I think if your job involved your killing kittens (or whatever) that'd get to you, too.
There would have to be a context.
I did a course on environmental ethics, once, and I remember reading some really good and interesting stuff about ones attitude to the environment. I don't remember who wrote it but there was this really interesting piece about a person climbing a rockface. And there was one description where it was the person pitted against the rockface attempting to conquer it. And there was another description of the person becoming one with the rockface and communing with it on the journey. It was about ones attitude towards nature.
Someone took to asking people whether there was anything wrong with destroying a planet (for example) if nobody would ever know you had done that. A planet where no person lived where no person knew of it. Whether there was anything wrong with wonton destruction, in other words. Or whether, at the end of the day, things only have instrumental value because of some relation they bear to persons.
I think the attitude a person has towards... Everything. Is an indicator of that person. But most people don't think anything like this.
It was curious, though, that he asked. And it is tied to consciousness...
Zombies...
Yeah. There's a little more to that...
(I'm ranting).
I don't speak Spanish.
Recently I asked someone where she was from because she was speaking with an accent and I thought she was hispanic. She said she was born in Auckland but her ancestry was India Indian. She looked sorta hispanic to me. That was the... Social role that she was emulating. 18 year old first year student in the lunch cue. I think she had in mind Orange is the New Black sort of hispanic... But I said something about latin america and her dancing the tango (she was very passionate about something) and I saw her sort of... Contemplate a different (though perhaps also hispanic) way of being / presenting to the world...
Race, ancestry is funny strange.
I'm white. And I tan up well if I expose myself to the sun, gradually. But I'm... Blue. I've realised. There is something so white it appears blue if I don't. I've always thought that white white white was... Ugly. White was okay so long as it wasn't too white. It needed to be a bit... Olive. Olive-r. (We don't have italians or greeks in NZ). You know. Tanned Barbie doll Californian / Australian / white New Zealander. So... That's a funny (strange) sort of a thing... With all the nuclear fallout / hole in the ozone layer... We are still afraid of being too white in public. Yeah...
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