Posted by desolationrower on March 31, 2010, at 21:53:11
In reply to Re: New Health Bill Passed Ammended Hour Later, posted by bleauberry on March 28, 2010, at 8:49:29
> I respect that, but in all honesty would base my personal stance on an experienced law professional not a former student.
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> The dozen or so Attorneys Generals who have challenged the bill must know something you don't know.they know they need to pander to the crazies in their base.
>Some long paragraphsi am not going to waste time with this, but most of what you said relies on incorrect ideas about the world, as understood through your abstractions. complaining about not having any cost controls, and complaining about evil costs controls we are going to have? or repeating made-up ideas about other countries systems, which deliver better outcomes for much less money, and without medical cost risks?
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> > "If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine."
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> That pretty much describes liberals. Despite their claimed love for equality and people, they are instead mired in hate, lies, and deception. When it comes to winning a piece of legislation, it is not about helping the people. It is not about the people's will. It is about, pure and simple, screwing the opponent, and getting as many people as possible dependent on the government. This health care bill is liberalism on display. It is lies and deception that looks like roses and diamonds on the outside, but is rotting sewer on the inside.
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> Liberalism never works. Neither does nationalized health. Look to any example desired.
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> I sometimes wonder if there is a genetic component. Liberals are all about emotion, not logic and not facts. It's all feelings based. Ignore truths, embrace emotions. Well, you know how some people get a rush out of a roller coaster ride, others don't want anything to do with it? Everyone has something that gets their pleasure adrenaline going? Well, with liberals, I think it is power over other people that does that. They get goosebumps, chills up the spine, waves of euphoria, by winning something, anything, that allows them to control your life. It's a high to them. That's why their heroes are commonly found in the history books of China or Cuba.
>liberals just like 'screwing the opponent?' wtf? passing a bill to get millions of people care and reducing costs wasn't something done to, oh, idunno, provide afordable health care...it was done just just to piss off reactionaries?
liberals 'get their kick' out of making the world a better place. noone gets it from 'telling people how to run their life'. you think i get giggly at telling hospitals they have to post prices? or telling insurance accountants that 80% of premiums have to go towards health care expenditure?
conservatives are all about projections. they are the ones who like hurting people, just for fun. executing innocent people? YES! making sure workers don't have safe workplaces? YES! Blowing up a bunch of people who made the mistake of living in iraq? YES! torturing people? YES! No health care for the working class? YES! blaming immigrants and gays for pretty much anything? YES!
and whos heroes are in china or cuba? the Social Democratic Party of Germany, the people who faught the naziis and communists, seem like the right kind of people. george orwell was a socialist, and i like him a lot.
> Sorry to go so long here. Healthcare improvement and healthcare for everyone would be totally awesome and totally achievable. Just won't happen with this bill. Mark my words, the opposite will happen. It will cost more than your current insurance does, you'll get less care than before, and people will still fall through the cracks. It will take the best medical system on the planet along with its problems and turn it into a lesser system with more problems than it started with.
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> Happens every time. Otherwise I wouldn't speak with such surety.
sure, lets mark. remember when clinton's 1993 budget was going to ruin the economy because of the tax increases on the wealthy? Or when financial deregulation was going to do something good and really there wasn't any risk of financial crises any more? Or when race mixing was going to cause the downfall of civilization? Here's a fun video of ronny raygun from before he was president talking about how medicare was going to destroy us by SOCIALIZED MEDICINE!!11!OONOESS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRdLpem-AAs&feature=related-d/r
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