Posted by Lou Pilder on February 13, 2015, at 8:38:44
In reply to Lou's reply to ed-kerupp » ed_uk2010, posted by Lou Pilder on February 13, 2015, at 7:43:49
> > >the post could cause a subset of readers to think that Judaism was corrupt....
> >
> > There is corruption all around us, Lou, both within Judaism and outside of it. Since most people are not Jewish, most corruption occurs outside Judaism. Nevertheless, since corruption is within the very essence of human nature, I have little doubt that some Jews are corrupt.
>
> ed,
> You wrote,[...There is corruption...within Judaism...].
> The issues here involve the poster's statement,{...disgusted at *their* love for money when so many people went without...] and that the poster is referring to {the scene when Jesus was smashing the tables of the money changers...].
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20101230/msgs/996847.html
> The poster is asking for readers to view the bible passages in reference to the money changers in order to have an understanding of what he, the poster, wrote which is his own interpretation from what is in the bible passages. It is not the bible passages themselves that are in question by me here, for the poster does not post a citation to them, but what the poster posted here.
> I have offered the poster the opportunity to answer some questions that IMHO could give readers a more-informed knowledge of what is in question here. As long as the poster does not accept that opportunity, then readers could have various ideas concerning Jews from what is posted by the poster. {disgusted at their love for money}. These depictions of the money changers which could be Jews that could arise from what the poster wrote, could allow some readers to feel that Judaism is being insulted here as being supportive and in Mr. Hsiung's thinking will be good for this community as a whole and arouse hatred toward the Jews as the historical record shows. For Mr. Hsiung states that if a statement stands, it is not against his rules. Later he states that he could leave a statement that is against his rules to stand, because in his thinking it will be good for this community as a whole.
> I say not. I say this because what the poster wrote could IMHHHO arouse anti-Semitic feelings. And the rule here is that it doesn't matter if what is in question is somewhat true or even if the bible says it, to have immunity from sanction as being uncivil. For being supportive takes precedence and posters are to be civil at all times according to Mr. Hsiung.
> The Christiandom Bible passages concerning the scene in the temple are very problematic to both those with a knowledge of second-temple Judaism and those ignorant of it. This is also impacted by the fact that the poster has not accepted my offer for him to answer my questions so that I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly. In some jurisdictions, by not answering, {evasion} could be imputed to the one not answering and then the intent could be formulated.
> The passages have been used historically to promote antisemitism and hatred toward the Jews and I see no reason to think that the furnace of hatred toward the Jews could not be stoked here from what the poster wrote being allowed to be seen as supportive and will in Mr. Hsiung's thinking be good for this community as a whole. In fact, a recruitment could be fostered here IMHO by Jew-haters to have easily persuaded readers join a camp of those bent on killing Jews by the nature that they could show the statement {...Jesus was smashing the tables of the money changers, disgusted at their love for money when so many people went without..] to be seen as supportive here.
> Since I am prevented from posting my repudiation to the statement by the poster in question due to the prohibitions posted to me here by Mr. Hsiung, others, can post here even more insults to Judaism and Jews with impunity. But I say to you readers here, that just because hatred toward the Jews is being allowed to be seen as civil here, this could not only be a detriment to your mental-health, it could also corrupt the goals of this forum, which is to go by the Golden Rule.
> LouFriends,
The history of the persecution of Jews involves the passages and the interpretation of those passages as used to arouse hatred toward the Jews. You may be ignorant of how anti-Semitic propaganda has been used and how it is used today. In this discussion, the bible passages cited by the poster that has Jesus using a whip in relation to those that sold doves and the money changer in the temple, was used historically that resulted in millions of Jewish children having atrocities committed against them and murdered. It is through anti-Semitic propaganda that the uninformed could be persuaded to hate Jews. And it is so easy to persuade the uninformed. It's so easy.
Here is some information that I think could help if you intend to be a discussant in this thread or parallel threads. To see thisZ:
A. Go to Google and type in:
[ nobeliefs, compiled by Jim Walker, brandishing his whip, Eckart ]
It will be first and clicking on it brings up pictures. I would like for you to view the first three pictures and read the caption under them. You see, the passage with the money changers involves Jesus using a whip.
Lou
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