Posted by Lou Pilder on July 24, 2013, at 10:11:07
In reply to Lou's response-dethofmemburz, posted by Lou Pilder on July 24, 2013, at 9:37:23
> > > I'm sorry about the long delay in replying.
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> > That's okay. It gave me time to think.
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> > > > > There's a problem with judging things by people's emotional response to them since we all respond to different things.
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> > > > Does censorship have a place?
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> > > My preference is to have as little as possible.
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> > Is that a yes? :-)
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> > > > > > It also pains me to ponder the possibility that posting activity has dropped off significantly as Lou Pilder has been allowed to post exaggerations, over-generalizations, and accusations to a greater degree and frequency.
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> > > > > I think here Lou is being made the classical scapegoat.
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> > > > The scapegoat explanation has become the default argument against investigating cause-and-effect and social responsibility regarding the posting behaviors of Lou Pilder. I was under the impression that scapegoating involves intent; to knowingly blame or punish someone for the acts of others. What is it about my treatment of Lou Pilder that would lead you to characterize it as scapegoating rather than being an inquiry into cause-and-effect and the enforcement of website rules of conduct?
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> > > I admit I am very uncomfortable with a discussion labeling any one poster as the cause of Babble's problems. It doesn't really meet my own internal standards of civility. But it is in keeping with my anti censorship beliefs.
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> > I think that if every inquiry into cause-and-effect were to be regarded as an attempt at scapegoating, nothing would ever get done in society. There would be no such thing as a pursuit of equity and safety. There would be no assignment of responsibility.
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> > > And somewhere in there I think that the strength of your feelings for what Babble has been in the past, the strength of your objections to Lou's posts, have somehow become blurred into a certainty that Lou is a major cause of what you don't like about babble. And it's that causality I think is doubtful.
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> > I guess I wasn't careful enough to avoid presenting myself as being certain of causality. I have my suspicions and theories, but my using the words "inquiry" and "possibility" in previous posts certainly does not equate to certitude.
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> > It would be convenient if the posting behavior of others had no effect on the size of the community. In such a case, nothing need be done by the moderator.
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> > The rapidity with which posting has decreased is interesting. Perhaps it's a summer thing.
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> > - Scott
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> Friends,
> For so much time and space has been used here to write about what I post here. Be advised that I am under many prohibition that prevent me from responding to what is posted about me here. Yet today, the following posted here stands that I am prevented from responding to in the manner that I think could free me from what is said about me here due to the prohibitions posted to me here by Mr. Hsiung. So the following statement will go on and on, that as long as it stands, could lead others to discount what I am writing about here that IMHHHO could mark the difference between readers , and reader's children being a live person or a corpse. Let us look at the statement posted here:
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> [...that posting activity has dropped off significantly as Lou Pilder has been allowed to post exaggerations, over-generalizations, and accusations to a greater degree of frequency...].
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> Here I am being held up to the community and to readers of this site as a person that could be connected to the real or imagined ills of this community. This could decrease the respect, regard or confidence in which I am held or induce hostile or disagreeable opinions or feelings against me. This could then also generate hatred toward me and that hate could be transferred in the hater to compel them to kill themselves and/or others as psychologists write that you can see in a search like,[psychology, hate].
> So what will it profit anyone here to have this posted about me, over and over, and I am prevented from posting my response here due to the prohibitions made to me here by Mr. Hsiung.
> I am willing to post my response to whatever I am posting that you think is exaggerating/over-generalizing and accusative as said about me here. For I come here to save lives and reveal the Day that you can overcome addiction and depression. I am hampered here to do that, and IMHHHHHO, the deaths here of members
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may not have happened if they were allowed to hear me. You can see how the drugs promoted here to them, some of them young people and their dreams have ended, were involved in some of their deaths, as in what one posted as accidental overdose, another as changing from one drug to another, and others that are posted here. And there are many posters missing. Do you not think that some have died? I have been asked to post about one of the deaths here, but I want to hear from the family first. You see readers here, I am prohibited to post from my perspective here, which comes from a Jewish perspective as revealed to me, that IMHHHHO could free you from the fear of being killed by the drugs promoted here. And more than that, you could know the truths that I am being prevented from posting here that could lead you out of the Troubled Sea that I see many tossed to and fro here in the mire and dirt of depression and addiction. If I was not prohibited from posting what is prohibited to me by Mr Hsiung, then it is my great conviction that many could leave the raging sea of depression and addiction and be transferred to stand on a Sea of Glass, calm and peaceful, and have a new life free from addiction and depression. You see, when I had an encounter with a Rider on a white horse, he said to me as I was shown The Sea of Glass, "The glass was made form extreme heat of the sand of the sea. You were once in the raging sea and I have refined you in The Furnace of Affliction to have the waves stilled and be no more tossed to and fro."
poster:Lou Pilder
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