Posted by Solstice on November 13, 2010, at 22:54:09
In reply to Re: some kind of Elders Council, posted by Dr. Bob on November 13, 2010, at 21:13:02
Bob -Have you any feedback? I posted a proposal for you outlining a system for people who are blocked or under threat of block to get guidance on repairing incivility through the Civility Buddy set-up. The Proposal is further down here in its own thread. It addresses some of the potential issues you pulled together for this post you made today. Please take a look and let us know what you think.
Solstice
> > ELDER'S COUNCIL: This might be a fabulous dual-purpose group. As already suggested, the Elder's Council could serve to work with Dr. Bob on determining whether a member really has been incivil, developing a more consistent and predictable application of blocks for those who opt out of the CB route, and fill in for Bob when he is absent or unavailable.
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> > These are all just ideas. Others may have better ideas. But it's a starting place. I don't think it has to be set up perfectly. 'Kinks' can be worked out along the way.
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> > I just think it is really, really important that movement take place, and I think whatever the system is, it must satisfy Dr. Bob's objectives for maintaining civility. A syste that circumvents blocking like I've suggested might make it easier for Bob's sometimes narrow latitude on incivility to be better tolerated, less contentious.
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> > Solstice
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> > Solstice got good ideas
> > Eg. a council of elders.
> > They would cover for Bob when he gone.
> > And ultimately then maybe this site would become more 'ours', and not so much just 'His'.
> > My main problem is with Bobs in and out, and his judgement about some things is not what I like. he's not really that invested in Babble, yet to those who post here, it is 'home', and that is a HUGE thing. People should have some degree of safety and autonomy in their own 'home'. Then they can feel more able to more fully share etc.
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> > au·ton·o·my noun
> > plural au·ton·o·mies
> > Definition of AUTONOMY
> > 1: the quality or state of being self-governing; especially : the right of self-government
> > 2: self-directing freedom and especially moral independence
> > 3: a self-governing state
> >
> > A council could override Bob(an effective council would).
> > The balance of power would shift.
> > I would have more trust(over time anyways) that a broader group of people might better have the interests of the 'present' community at heart.
> > I think it might be a challenge for the elders council at times....but it could possibly work.
> > The ONLY way I would be interested in being a part of all this would be if Bob was willing to relinquish some of his control.
> > Ultimately, he would be the highest authority still.
> > And he could be the techie guy as he is good at that.
> > And then he himself can feel more free to participate somewhat, ask questions, study about topics etc...
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> > muffled
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> > Deputies covered for Bob when he was gone, and consulted among themselves for a consensus.
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> > I don't recall posters feeling any better about actions.
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> > I see it as more likely that the council would either have to allow everything to retain the good feelings of the more outspoken posters, or would grow to receive the same feelings Bob receives. In my experience, posters are less able to tolerate rage than Dr. Bob is. I think part of the secret of Babble's longevity is Bob's ability to be a container for rage.
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> > I may be cynical, but I can't see people welcoming pbc's or blocks from anyone. Conversely I can't see all posters welcoming a lack of pbc's or blocks either. People tend to feel differently when they feel attacked.
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> > I do agree that Solstice has good ideas.
> >
> > But I don't believe the site would be better served by Dr. Bob giving over his power to a group. There would just be different problems.
> >
> > I am members of sites that are entirely group led. There are still splinter factions, huge blowouts and dissolvings of the group.
> >
> > This isn't utopia.
> >
> > Dinah
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> > well.. the credit for the council actually belongs to hyperfocus, I believe :-) I took ideas I've seen from everywhere and just tried to see how they might fit together.
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> > > They would cover for Bob when he gone.
> > > And ultimately then maybe this site would become more 'ours', and not so much just 'His'.
> >
> > The could cover in his absence. But I think that his ownership of the site is something that we all have to figure out a way to be okay with. In many ways, it is "our" site because without us, it would not exist. But when it comes to final decisions, those things will always belong to Bob. Just as surely as he created the site, he alone has the power to dismantle it.
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> > Solstice
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