Posted by JahL on January 14, 2006, at 22:06:41
In reply to Re: Dr. Bob, a few questions. . . » Sarah T., posted by Dinah on January 7, 2006, at 10:57:57
Hi Dinah.
> Ouch.
Oww!
> As someone with self injury in my not too distant past, and continuing suicidal ideation, I've got to say that idea scares me a bit. I've always liked that we can talk about those things here, with appropriate trigger warnings. Because there aren't that many places where those things can be discussed, and they can become so *powerful* if they are unspeakable.Yes, yes and yes again. You and I know that suicidal ideation, and suicide, are merely extreme manifestations of depressive disorders. The end of the plank. You either live it or you don't. The idea that certain symptoms should not be spoken about, is...unspeakable. It'd be like telling an Angling Forum they may not discuss fish.
Drive discussion underground and people like me will inevitably migrate towards those infamous self-help suicide sites. *Not* very helpful.
There is, quite obviously, still a massive taboo surrounding the subject. This is wrong. I would wager - and I am a successful Professional Gambler by trade - that more people would like to discuss such problems, but fear moral castigation and ostracism.
As for the comment about suicide being uncivil...I don't know how to take that...except not very seriously. As I'm sure you'll agree, depression might be hard - *very* hard - on loved ones, but in of itself, it is neither a civil nor uncivil act.
It is, quite simply, an act of sheer desperation. It is, for me, the *promise* of relief. Aahhh. Noone else can give me that assurance.
Having said all of this, it should go without saying that I have to strongly disapprove of 'crying wolf'. It's easy to understand the psychology behind this behaviour but ultimately a lot of caring, but *also* 'damaged' people wind up getting hurt. It also, of course, devalues the perceived worth of 'genuine' claims.
I do not read Social and so I cannot comment on the current furore surrounding a particular poster. However, given the strong reactions of people I respect on this site, it is clear that someone might need help beyond Babble. I hope they get it. I have a rather ambivalent attitude towards Babble these days. My combative nature makes it too easy to get sucked into arguments. I have been like this - Bipolar - since age seven and do not mind admitting that over time I have become increasingly bitter, angry and resentful. Remaining civil is a constant challenge for me; I hope I have succeeded here. I have enough real-life wars on my hands - I don't need any more meaningless battles. So Babble isn't the right place for everyone.
I remember thanking Dr B. recently for permitting discussion of suicide. I shouldn't really have to, but other misguided sites forbid such talk. Though typically cryptic and coy, his response was encouraging. Top fella.
If my chosen meds do not work then I will be Catching The Bus. I will not need a second opportunity. Before I do, I will post my intentions here. Dr Bob can then hit me with a PBC, maybe even a block, for being so 'uncivil' :-P [sorry, bad taste]
Take care Dinah,
Jah.
Not interested in debating my views on the matter, people. Nothing else to say. Thanks for listenin'.
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