Posted by lunesta on October 31, 2005, at 4:45:40
In reply to Re: please be civil » lunesta, posted by Dr. Bob on October 30, 2005, at 9:43:45
Dr Bob,
As of April 2005, Pfizer has been requested by the FDA to hand over data on neurontin related suicides and adverse reports due in part from so many people dying or attempted suicides from the drug and at the request of a large petition, an unusual and usually ineffective way to get the FDA's attention which tells you something about this seriousness of this.
They had 6 months to comply with this request, so Sept, last month. The FDA is reviewing this as we speak, as usual, slowly (like Vioxx, for example) - but is finally serious now that so many people have had suicides or sudden death or attempted suicides and many other adverse serious problems.
It is following almost exactly the same course as Vioxx and the black box warning on dangerous drugs.
I am confident enough to say that I am certain neurontin will get at least a black box warning, become a controlled substance and as the financial message board users say on neurontin who are investors and get the latest information from Pfizer - gabapentin is one of the current drugs being considered to be taken off the market completely just like Vioxx.
neurontin is in the top 5 of suicide rates/attempts of all FDA approved drugs.
Now I have tried to inform you as a doctor on why its important to hold knowledge to back up an opinion, especially one that you may see as a noun, or exaggerrated before you slap someone for it.
I would consider that drug poison, which was used as my adjective descriptive term of the drug, and an opinion that no one has to take without any continuing harrassment or pushing to a user whatsoever.
2 years ago I am sure someone said Vioxx was poison, maybe even here, and wow, there "taken wrong" opinioned description might have saved someone from death! Being discouraged of opinions does not make sense to me.
As a doctor perhaps you can talk to the people involved with neurontin, which really is not the issue but Dr. Russell Katz, director of the Division of Neuropharmacological Drug Products at the FDA and Dr. Robert Temple, associate director for medical policy for the FDA's Center for Drug Evaluation and Research will confirm that this drug, is indeed, being taken very seriously right now by the FDA (and the former who oversaw its development into 1992/93 will plain out on the phone tell you its poison and I will make a bet on that) and the data being reviewed, for one or more of the 3 options I said above that will happen to neurontin will in time, validate my poison adjectively used statement, and when it does perhaps this post will have saved some lives, and I hope that informed opinions are not discouraged because I may have just saved someone from lifelong agony or someone may now be discouraged from taking my opinion because of your warning.
All of the information is on the net (including ancedontal and formal), publications and from those 2 people at the FDA if anyone is interested in neurontins current review status and thinking there options over.
Now, is Vioxx poison? I would say yes and I think most everyone would now too. It was out many years before anything was done.I was giving my opinion trying to help someone avoid a Vioxx like problem in the future, with neurontin plain and simple.
My opinion is that neurontin is poison. It was being used adjectively not as a noun which I think was very obvious. If I have to say neurontin is poison and follow it up with (this is my opinoin by the way) then many posts here violate your policies because I can cite any post on any page right now with a similar adjective worded opinion being seen as an "exagerated claim".
"Vioxx is poison, please dont take it" - 2 years ago would have been an exagerrated claim based on your unthoughtout warning to me.
I hope that the Vioxx example person looked objectively at all the opinions and wasn't pushed away from the negative one because of a warning like you gave me. If i were them then, as you being a Dr., i would have trusted you and taken that Vioxx and be in a grave.
My point : dont selectively look at peoples negative view on a drug without evaluating if a negative opinion is an adjective, verb or noun and not assume is exageration or being to harsh.
If you cannot agree than please update your policy between adjective terms, nouns and you might need quite a few moderators in that case.
Thanks
lnc
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