Posted by Mary_Bowers on October 22, 2004, at 14:33:43
In reply to Re: A civil venue for accusations » Mary_Bowers, posted by SLS on October 22, 2004, at 13:48:56
Thanks for the considerate reply.
More precise research on my part could also improve the quality of dialogue. Our research, to inform either "side" in this argument, could be helpful to anyone seeking counsel in these matters, or to counselors considering the merits of various matters related to this topic. I wonder if that is not a part of some fears expressed in reaction to my contribution -- not that I will complain to a medical review board, but that somebody with the professional standing and expertise will recognize the logical foundation I sketched out.
> I think you will find that most everyone here who was present before the administration of civility guidelines will agree that many, many more people were being harmed by malicious posters than might be offended by the site's current moderation. This is something you should perhaps take into consideration.
>This site is archived, so we can and to some extent have compared those data. We are not reaching the same conclusions as you have. It would be helpful to us if we could find site traffic statistics for the entire history of the site, rather than for the past 12 months.
> I can't stress enough how important a resource this site is for the mentally ill. I am still depending on it for an answer to the treatment-resistant disorder I suffer from. It has been the best clearinghouse for treatment modalities and coping mechanisms I have seen. This is something you should perhaps take into consideration.
>We believe we have seen better. We have not yet found a standard by which to measure, qualitatively, the merits of various sites, but open complaints of harm will probably be an element of any standard we might propose. It is possible that changes in administrative approach could move this site from near the bottom of our unqualified ranking of clinically facilitated mental health self-help sites to a position nearer the top.
> Your lawyerly arguments are interesting and sophisticated. Your resolve is firm. I wish neither were true. I guess you will do what you feel is right. I can tell that you are unwavering in your belief as to what that is. Such a huge number of people will be harmed should you be successful. This is something you should perhaps take into consideration.
>If people can be harmed by loosing the site, that suggests people who have lost access to the site because of adminstrative mandates might have been harmed. Doc Hsiung's position appears to be that noone can be harmed because they can always go somewhere else.
> I wish my illness would allow me the ability to read with comprehension, remember, and learn new things. It would make for a fair fight. I am convinced that I would kick your butt. :-)
>Maybe. Or your improved performance might require me to bone up some more, thereby strengthening my presentation and increasing the likelihood that my efforts will lead to substantive change in operation of the site. I can't assure you that you will find similar opportunities, but is possible that exercising to improve my comprehension, memory and capacity to learn have been therapeutic and have been a significant part of how I confronted problems in my own life such as those you suffer.
> I am grateful that you have decided to come to this site to interact with its participants. Thank you for the opportunity to dissuade you from your goal. Please forgive me should I overlook any of the details of your posts here. My reading abilities are limited to cursory skimming. This is something you should perhaps take into consideration.
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> - Scott
>Very gracious of you, Scott. You are welcome, and thank you in return. We - you and I - are composing dialogue among a virtual large group, not writing courtroom briefs, so our level of expertise is probably appropriate for the venue. Whether or not you find the capacity to improve your virtual dialogue, your contributions - like mine - could become foundation for exchanges in more authoritative venues.
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