Posted by wendy b. on November 16, 2002, at 12:43:15
In reply to Any comments on this article « Phil, posted by Dr. Bob on November 16, 2002, at 8:12:23
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Dear Phil and others,I don't know Grohol well enough, so I don't know whether I respect his opinion or not. We all took a test to come on the PB board, and we agreed to all of Bob's requirements, including his weird take on copyright (Grohol has a major point there, I think), and notification that he was doing research, and that it was being published. We all knew that.
In the medical research field, they can get pretty competitive. Which is an understatement. Since Grohol & Hsiung are both in the same field, they're probably competing for the same grants, so they can carry out more research, and then it creates its own cycle. If they get the money, they can do a study, publish results, become more respected, then get more grants/funding, etc. etc. I've seen this time and again in academia. Waiting for crumbs, so they can publish their findings, the reults of which are... ( _____ ). You decide. I read Bob's most recent publication.
I worked on grant-writing for a doc at a major medical teaching hospital in my area (not going to name it here). That guy was looking for NSF money, and he used human subjects. So I know about IRB boards (the ones within the institution, this time U of Chicago), and it's VERY BAD that Bob didn't submit anything to the IRB in his department. This has to do with medical ethics concerning human subjects. They have to approve his methodology, and then give him the go-ahead. This is for liability purposes, as well as good PR regarding the protection of human rights to not be exposed to illness, or to not be made ill by trial meds, etc.
So I believe, from experience, that if someone there in his department were a real stickler, they could go for his throat, have a hearing, put a letter of warning in his file, or outright fire him. The institutional process of approval of research protocols is very structured and well-known. BOB KNEW he had to submit a proposal and tons of documentation and justification to them first. I know because I've done it. The IRB, AND the Univ of Chicago are liable for anything that happens, like: what if someone sued Bob for damages? If he hadn't checked it out with his IRB, their ass is grass. Bob just went around ALL WELL-KNOWN protocol.
Best to everyone,
Wendy
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